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re: 2014 Mississippi State Recruiting thread.
Posted on 2/11/13 at 3:58 pm to engie
Posted on 2/11/13 at 3:58 pm to engie
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The post is negative because it shows ONE SIDE of the story(the negative side) without also acknowledging the positive side and thus presenting itself as well-rounded. I simply gave the other side of the coin. What valid point? That -- in 5 recruiting classes -- they've "taken" CJ Johnson from us? Well, in that spirit, we took Quay Evans from them.
Why are State fans determined to lay down for them at the smallest sign of our adversity -- or their improvement? You've been at the front of that line an awful lot lately(Chris Jones to OM threads, etc...). It's easy to acknowledge and congratulate their improvement without taking a bow to them like many here are apparently in a hurry to do.
Just trying to be realistic, not strictly negative or giving up by any means. Basically just saying nothing should be taken for granted on who leads for any of these MS guys until the last month of recruiting occurs if they are a 5 star or high 4 star type. OM pulled it off in 2011 with their behind the scenes shenanigans on Johnson and nearly did again this year (if you believe Jones' quotes rather than his Mom's). I don't count 2012 because OM was in total flux at the coaching position during that time which rendered them pretty ineffective in recruiting in general and on top of that Quay Evans got in as an EE anyway which was helpful. Also Quay committed to us early in the football season. So we didn't take him from OM at the last minute like they are getting famous for doing. They've taken others too (Moore, Brassell, got Whitehead to decommit although they lost him to Auburn) but I don't really count those guys since they were not in our traditional territory and may have never been sincerely committed to us to begin with. I'm more focused on their techniques for getting in on Johnson and Jones at the 11th hour in traditional MSU strongholds. And after what they pulled off this year, taking players away from the likes of Georgia, FSU, AL, etc. nobody can deny that whatever they are doing its working.
This post was edited on 2/11/13 at 3:59 pm
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Posted on 2/11/13 at 4:17 pm to Maroonmadness
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And after what they pulled off this year, taking players away from the likes of Georgia, FSU, AL, etc. nobody can deny that whatever they are doing its working.
I'd hold off awhile on this assumption...
They won't go into places like Starkville, West Point, etc... and take players that we want. Philadelphia isn't strongly MSU territory and hasn't been traditionally. People just think that because that HS coach is an MSU alum and it's geographically closer to MSU. Since 2002, MSU has signed one kid from Philadelphia HS(Josh Boyd), OM has signed one, Memphis has one, and USM has one...
Ultimately, they flipped CJ when his position coach and DC left(Diaz) AND his lead recruiter and primary contact with MSU(Hud) left. That's a pretty big piece to the puzzle that people leave that out of the equation in the meltdown. Was he bought? Sure. But it still took extreme circumstances to get him away from us. There have been ALOT of organizational changes in our booster network and even our coaching/recruiting system because of the loss of that player. People that think otherwise just aren't peeking behind the curtain at all -- and refuse to see how things actually went down with Chris Jones.
Last I checked, we held onto Chris Jones...and we almost flipped Lavon Hooks from them despite only recruiting him starting in late November(after THEY placed him in JUCO).
They are not "playing the game" better than us in MS. If they were, they would have actually gotten Chris Jones. Lord knows they threw everything they had at him. He was the only recruit there on the 25th weekend that didn't sign with OM. They are like the drug dealer that buys 5 houses rather than sitting on the cash and properly laundering it. When you flaunt it, you draw unnecessary attention. We'll see what kind of heat they've got coming down the pipeline.
Regardless, over the last decade, we've won every bit as many in-state recruiting battles with them as we've lost. People need to approach it as such instead of being scared of what big, bad OM is doing. Fanbase attitude projects onto players directly and indirectly -- and that effects their recruitment on some (maybe small) level. At this point, they come off as the carefree badass, and we come off as the insecure, needy weakling -- That's the perception -- although in reality, that is bullshite.
This post was edited on 2/11/13 at 4:31 pm
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