Ramirez.

My personal opinion. I like Ramirez. I still wish we could pull him back. I wish him the best of luck too.

But, to me, it was his decision. Only time will tell if it was the right one or not. His destiny is in his own hands now and he will have to work twice as hard to get noticed in my opinion. Can he do it? Hell yeh. He's a hell of an athlete. But in my opinion, it's easier to get noticed at the next level when you compete with the best there is to offer. I just don't think he will get that at KSU. Or at least the frequency he would have had he come to Mizzou.

This is a total bummer.

Thanks for the info..

I just don't get some of this stuff.. this is a huge decision in peoples lives, and yes I get that these coaches have their jobs on the line and they can't wait forever to get commitments.

But I don't get closing the door on someone, especially an in-state 4 star player.

I'm sure this 3 star TE is really that important that we have to keep a spot for him and his 2 buddies from Trinity. We have so many guys in our system to catch the ball.. I don't get it.

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I don't get it.

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The other 2 guys from Euless were only here to visit with their buddy. Spots weren't being held for those 2.

We only have 2 scholarship tight ends. Tight end is a need in this class.

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We only have 2 scholarship tight ends. Tight end is a need in this class.

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Meh.. I don't know.

We have so many guys to catch the ball. We saw DGB slotted into the TE receiver spot. Guys like Bud Sasser and others can do it too.

And Culkin will be a mainstay there for the foreseeable future.

I just don't see the point in closing the door on a 4 star in-state guy to make room for another ball catcher, TE or not.

I'm ok with how it was handled. Sounds like the kid was a bit wobbly about his commitment. I wish him well, I'll never see him play at KSt., but good luck anyway.

I just posted this because as I did, I wanted to know what the story was on this kid. Still no reasons explained for why he decommited in the first place, just that he did and the actions the happened leading up to his commitment to KSU.

If he would have recommited at the time Hill asked him to, he would be a Tiger right now and we'd have three LB's. But this coaching staff has seen the writing on the wall as far as what they need to win in the SEC and thats a D-line with depth. This is what they are truly concentrating on right now. But you don't let a kid like Ramirez flounder out there without throwing him a lifeline before moving on.

I still feel Ramirez as well as Campos made a mistake by decommiting. They will go on and have good playing years at thier colleges but in my opinion without the limelight of playing in the SEC. There is no doubt that if you want to go to the next level, the SEC is one good route if your wanting exposure.

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I see on Powermizzou that we have offered a TE named Durham Smythe out of Belton. Anyone know about him??

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De-committed from Texas after after Harsin left.

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I don't know how we can say they made mistakes. KState, while I don't think they'll be as good next year, is a better program than Mizzou right now. I can sort of understand it with Iowa State with their coaching uncertainty but if Rhoads stay, it can certainly be said they are about on par with Mizzou. Unfortunately, I'm still convinced that having a shite season allows those other considerations (staying home) come back into play.

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For both of these kids, had they stayed with Mizzou, who is quietly puting together one heck of a recruiting class this year and add them to some good talent we already have, and I think we will be fine next year. The schedule is somewhat weaker this next season. But the glaring fact, the single biggest reason it was a mistake for them is.....exposure. These kids would have had alot more exposure had they stayed with Mizzou than they will at KSU or ISU.

How many players have either of those programs produced that went to the NFL?

How many has Mizzou produced? In the history of these schools, Mizzou has almost put as many players into the NFL as both KSU and ISU combine. We actually fell about 40 short or we would have put as many in as both other schools. Mizzou 150, KSU 100 and ISU 90. Thats while we were in the same conference. Watch those numbers go up after were in the SEC for a couple years.

You also have to consider your playing against the top players in the nation, week after week in the SEC. O-line and D-lines are what the SEC is known for and strong defenses. Now if your a lineman or defensive guy, you should want to go where your in the limelight alittle more where your name might get mentioned or your play is noticed. That is if your wanting to break into the next level.

But these guys are gone, so good luck to them.

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But the glaring fact, the single biggest reason it was a mistake for them is.....exposure. These kids would have had alot more exposure had they stayed with Mizzou than they will at KSU or ISU.

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Yes, like playing for one team that is ranked all year versus playing on another team that, well, plays ranked teams. Or playing for one team that will play in the Fiesta Bowl or another team that, well, will be watching the Fiesta Bowl. Frankly, playing on a top 5 team that will play in the Fiesta Bowl I believe will bring enough exposure. Iowa State? Might arguably have a case there about exposure but with as many 6 a.m. games as we had, it's hard to say Mizzou had more exposure.

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And maybe I'm pulling my information from the wrong place but by my count KState has almost 200 former players that have played in the NFL.

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Dunno. I Yahoo'd it and there it was. I just don't recognise many successful ex-KSU players playing in the NFL. As for Mizzou, there a several Alum. that have had pretty good years and currently great seasons this year. One of those is a LB. The other is a DE.