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Posted on 11/25/12 at 12:46 pm
Posted on 11/25/12 at 12:46 pm
Everyone was asked to step it up this year heading into the SEC. Fans. Alumni. AD. Coach. Players. Everyone. If you ask me, only the fans held up their end of the deal.
Considering how much of a shite season this was, I do have to applaud the way the fans never stopped turning out, home and on the road. Seemed to me there was a strong contingent at every road game, even with the shite season we had. I didn't hear any "hunting season" excuses this year. If they want the fans to continue to hold up their end of things, which ultimately makes all the other things possible, the others on the list better start holding up their end of things and that starts immediately.
Considering how much of a shite season this was, I do have to applaud the way the fans never stopped turning out, home and on the road. Seemed to me there was a strong contingent at every road game, even with the shite season we had. I didn't hear any "hunting season" excuses this year. If they want the fans to continue to hold up their end of things, which ultimately makes all the other things possible, the others on the list better start holding up their end of things and that starts immediately.
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Posted on 11/25/12 at 2:10 pm to reedus23
Posted on 11/25/12 at 2:12 pm to reedus23
I think Mizzou gave up before the game even started if they can lose 14-7 to Florida in the swamp they shouldnt of lost to A&M by more than 14-17
Posted on 11/25/12 at 2:33 pm to ZouDerrty
This season.
It breaks my heart..
It breaks my heart..
Posted on 11/25/12 at 3:16 pm to reedus23
Same 'ol Mizzou. Turns out the pundits were right. We got shellacked in our first season in the SEC. Sure, there were lots of injuries, but there were also games that were there for the taking and this team failed to capitalize.
5-7 could have easily been 7-5 or even 8-4, but lets be honest here. With this coaching staff we never really had a chance, all the fight left the station a while back.
What a bummer to have so many injuries, the injuries let us down. No one else has injuries. I mean the play calling was rock solid all season long. Who can argue with 5 yard in routes on 3 and 12, or lining up in the shotgun and running when you have the ball on your own 1 yard line? Defensively, it's just good game planning to have your DB's 7 or 8 yards off of the LOS, especially against a guy who's torched you and the game is on the line, and getting guys to wrap up tackles? It's really not necessary in the big scheme of things.
Yep, it was the injuries. I dont see anything that meeds to be fixed other than not getting injured.
Things will be better next year.
5-7 could have easily been 7-5 or even 8-4, but lets be honest here. With this coaching staff we never really had a chance, all the fight left the station a while back.
What a bummer to have so many injuries, the injuries let us down. No one else has injuries. I mean the play calling was rock solid all season long. Who can argue with 5 yard in routes on 3 and 12, or lining up in the shotgun and running when you have the ball on your own 1 yard line? Defensively, it's just good game planning to have your DB's 7 or 8 yards off of the LOS, especially against a guy who's torched you and the game is on the line, and getting guys to wrap up tackles? It's really not necessary in the big scheme of things.
Yep, it was the injuries. I dont see anything that meeds to be fixed other than not getting injured.
Things will be better next year.
Posted on 11/25/12 at 3:24 pm to SoCalMIZ
People who dont think the injuries to the QB and the offensive line played a significant part in the way this season turned out are just stupid. No offense but that just the way it is.
There are other important problems but we would probably be looking at a 7+ win season and a bowl game at minimum with a healthy Franklin, Josey and O-Line.
My issues lie in the lack of adjustments by the coordinators at times this year. Some of the offensive play calling was to try and offset the lack of pass protection due to O-line injuries.
I think things need to change but some of the hysteronics and hyperbole are masking some of you look pretty foolish.
There are other important problems but we would probably be looking at a 7+ win season and a bowl game at minimum with a healthy Franklin, Josey and O-Line.
My issues lie in the lack of adjustments by the coordinators at times this year. Some of the offensive play calling was to try and offset the lack of pass protection due to O-line injuries.
I think things need to change but some of the hysteronics and hyperbole are masking some of you look pretty foolish.
Posted on 11/25/12 at 3:37 pm to kilo
Of course they did. But, injuries are part of the game. Everybody has them.
The lack of depth was painfully evident, to me that's on the entire coaching staff. The way the whole JF/Berkstresser thing was handled was wrong IMO. Either Berkstresser sucks, or he wasn't given time to prepare in practice. Not having a functional backup QB was just wrong considering the staff knew going in that JF was fragile, especially with the injuries on the line.
I just think that at the end of the day using injuries as an excuse is weak, this is football. Inspite of the injuries this team should have been 7-5 and bowling, lack of execution and discipline cost them dearly. Again, that's on the coaching staff.
Ultimately, the coordinators answer to the HC. So, either the HC was happy with how things were going or the HC doesn't understand how to make the proper adjustments. Again, unacceptable.
This program has been setback a few years. If you want to turn your blinders on to that fact, that's fine with me. If you think GP should get a pass because of past record, that's fine as well. Just don't come on here and complain when it gets worse next year, because its going to.
The lack of depth was painfully evident, to me that's on the entire coaching staff. The way the whole JF/Berkstresser thing was handled was wrong IMO. Either Berkstresser sucks, or he wasn't given time to prepare in practice. Not having a functional backup QB was just wrong considering the staff knew going in that JF was fragile, especially with the injuries on the line.
I just think that at the end of the day using injuries as an excuse is weak, this is football. Inspite of the injuries this team should have been 7-5 and bowling, lack of execution and discipline cost them dearly. Again, that's on the coaching staff.
Ultimately, the coordinators answer to the HC. So, either the HC was happy with how things were going or the HC doesn't understand how to make the proper adjustments. Again, unacceptable.
This program has been setback a few years. If you want to turn your blinders on to that fact, that's fine with me. If you think GP should get a pass because of past record, that's fine as well. Just don't come on here and complain when it gets worse next year, because its going to.
This post was edited on 11/25/12 at 3:39 pm
Posted on 11/25/12 at 4:00 pm to SoCalMIZ
I dont have "blinders" man. I just take a more reserved approach in how I analyze what happened and what went wrong this season.
The FIRE PINKEL NOWWWWW!!!!! crowd loves to say "injuries don't matter. Every team has injuries" because when they irrationally remove a huge reason for the struggles this season they can conveniently move onto their agenda and placing blame squarely on the coaching staff.
I think that there needs to be adjustments made though. Im not sold on Yost and Steckel. They need to be replaced or forced to change some things on both sides of the ball if kept.
3 things need to happen over the next 18 months.
1. There has to be adjustments made to our offensive gameplan to adjust to the SEC. If that means hiring a new coordinator or forcing Yost to adjust. I dont care but it needs to happen. I think defensively we will get better if we can recruit better athletes. We have a good LB core coming in in 2013 but we are thin on the line. Steckel is going to have to figure out schemes that rely less on the gambling blitzing style he uses to get pressure.
2. RECRUITING has to get better for 2014 class. This, to me, is the biggest concern I have with this staff. Do they have the ability to recruit at an SEC level inside the new footprint.
3. Pinkel needs to quickly move past the personal issues. Im not sure they are an actual issue but they are a PR and perception issue.
The FIRE PINKEL NOWWWWW!!!!! crowd loves to say "injuries don't matter. Every team has injuries" because when they irrationally remove a huge reason for the struggles this season they can conveniently move onto their agenda and placing blame squarely on the coaching staff.
I think that there needs to be adjustments made though. Im not sold on Yost and Steckel. They need to be replaced or forced to change some things on both sides of the ball if kept.
3 things need to happen over the next 18 months.
1. There has to be adjustments made to our offensive gameplan to adjust to the SEC. If that means hiring a new coordinator or forcing Yost to adjust. I dont care but it needs to happen. I think defensively we will get better if we can recruit better athletes. We have a good LB core coming in in 2013 but we are thin on the line. Steckel is going to have to figure out schemes that rely less on the gambling blitzing style he uses to get pressure.
2. RECRUITING has to get better for 2014 class. This, to me, is the biggest concern I have with this staff. Do they have the ability to recruit at an SEC level inside the new footprint.
3. Pinkel needs to quickly move past the personal issues. Im not sure they are an actual issue but they are a PR and perception issue.
Posted on 11/25/12 at 4:09 pm to kilo
I appreciate your opinion, and to be honest, I was in the same camp as you until the Syracuse game.
I think there is a trend going back further than some want to admit. That's what makes me think its time for a coaching change. I''m a believer that he's achieved all he's capable of, doesn't mean he's a bad coach, nor does it mean I don't appreciate all that he's done. I'm just ready to compete at "the next level". There's too much complacency in having a 9 or 10 win season every 3 years or so.
Like the OP stated, we held up our end of the bargain, now it's time for him to do the same. Adjust and adapt or he's not going to survive, no matter what goodwill he's built up.
I think there is a trend going back further than some want to admit. That's what makes me think its time for a coaching change. I''m a believer that he's achieved all he's capable of, doesn't mean he's a bad coach, nor does it mean I don't appreciate all that he's done. I'm just ready to compete at "the next level". There's too much complacency in having a 9 or 10 win season every 3 years or so.
Like the OP stated, we held up our end of the bargain, now it's time for him to do the same. Adjust and adapt or he's not going to survive, no matter what goodwill he's built up.
Posted on 11/25/12 at 4:14 pm to kilo
Kilo the recruiting thing is what scares me the most. If it all plays out as it's looking like we will only have a recruiting class that is ranked higher than Kentucky. Every other team in the SEC will have a better class than us, and lets be honest that just isn't going to win you many games. I don't know how to make it better but pinkels recruiting has been less than impressive as of late
Posted on 11/25/12 at 4:19 pm to SoCalMIZ
Socal. In rereading some of my posts I dont want you to think I was putting you on blast man. I cam off a little gruff. It was more just general opinion after reading some of the craziness on Power Mizzou and Tigerboard.
The Syracuse game moved me as well in my opinion. I was not behind firing Pinkel for any reason but after that game I moved to he has to make changes and if he is unwilling then his job should be considered in jeopardy.
The quit yesterday was just embarrassing. I spilt the blame for that on the staff but there is also plenty of blame to be placed on the leadership among the players.
I think we all realize that Pinkel will be here next year. WE can only hope he makes some changes and adjustments to his staff and philosophy after taking some time to review this season. He will have very few on his side if he approaches next years that same way he approached this one.
The Syracuse game moved me as well in my opinion. I was not behind firing Pinkel for any reason but after that game I moved to he has to make changes and if he is unwilling then his job should be considered in jeopardy.
The quit yesterday was just embarrassing. I spilt the blame for that on the staff but there is also plenty of blame to be placed on the leadership among the players.
I think we all realize that Pinkel will be here next year. WE can only hope he makes some changes and adjustments to his staff and philosophy after taking some time to review this season. He will have very few on his side if he approaches next years that same way he approached this one.
Posted on 11/25/12 at 4:24 pm to FightTigers
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Kilo the recruiting thing is what scares me the most. If it all plays out as it's looking like we will only have a recruiting class that is ranked higher than Kentucky. Every other team in the SEC will have a better class than us, and lets be honest that just isn't going to win you many games. I don't know how to make it better but pinkels recruiting has been less than impressive as of late
ITs going to take time to see if they can recruit in the SEC footprint. Its hard to use a class after just one season to compare with other programs in the conference. Its going ot take time to build up relationships and presence.
Its scary though. Im not in any way convinced that Pinkel's staff can get the job done moving forward and this is without question my biggest concern both short term and long term with Pinkel.
Posted on 11/25/12 at 4:41 pm to kilo
Kilo, didn't take it that way. Admittedly, I've been fired up about this since Ramirez de-committed. Kind of the straw that broke the camels back. After putting all the pieces together, I'm convinced that Pinkel isn't the answer, and to be honest he might be ready to hang it up anyway.
The quit yesterday wasn't just embarrassing, it was sad. They still had a shot at a bowl game. Yet, no one showed up. This just isn't the kind of stuff I grew to love about GP coached teams. Everything seems discombobulated. It needs to get recombobulated, and quick.
My biggest fear is recruiting as well. If we start losing kids from Missouri to other SEC teams and B1G teams, then it's just a matter of time before the Nubbers start to own western MO again. We can't have that.
Honestly, I really don't know what the real problem is, nor do I know the answer to it. I just know that things are getting fricked up real fast, and that's never a good thing. I hope Alden knows exactly what he's doing, whatever his decision might be.
The quit yesterday wasn't just embarrassing, it was sad. They still had a shot at a bowl game. Yet, no one showed up. This just isn't the kind of stuff I grew to love about GP coached teams. Everything seems discombobulated. It needs to get recombobulated, and quick.
My biggest fear is recruiting as well. If we start losing kids from Missouri to other SEC teams and B1G teams, then it's just a matter of time before the Nubbers start to own western MO again. We can't have that.
Honestly, I really don't know what the real problem is, nor do I know the answer to it. I just know that things are getting fricked up real fast, and that's never a good thing. I hope Alden knows exactly what he's doing, whatever his decision might be.
Posted on 11/25/12 at 4:43 pm to kilo
I dont think he needs to be fired now, but its more than fair to place blame for this season on Pinkel. Injuries were a part of this. They were. But the fact that they are being made into the difference between 5-7 and contending for the East is ridiculous. LSU basically lost their entire O-Line this year. They seemed to have done fine. And before anybody says "Well we arent LSU", I think it is fair to say there is a huge gap between 10+ wins and the 5 we got. The fact of the matter is, the season still goes on. Our opponents dont care who is hurt. You still put up a fight. Injuries had little to do with what happened last night. Injuries had little to do with Syracuse. Yet we will keep getting that excuse trotted out. I just wish we became a team of adapting and overcoming problems, and not forming excuses and quitting like we have done.
Posted on 11/25/12 at 6:03 pm to ZouDerrty
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if they can lose 14-7 to Florida in the swamp they shouldnt of lost to A&M by more than 14-17
(smacking hand on forehead).
Come on buddy.. no.
FLA is a one dimensional offense with no QB, not that we didn't execute very well in that game (on defense), but it wasn't the same challenge.
We had a hard time with duel threat QBs this year, let alone perhaps the best one college football may ever see...
Posted on 11/25/12 at 6:16 pm to SoCalMIZ
I think Kilo and Socal are both correct in their own way.
Without those injuries this team evolves very differently. I'm confident putting us at 7 wins. If things aren't a mess we win the Vandy and 'Cuse games. Now toss in a win at FLA, that's 8 wins with a potential of getting the 9th in a bowl.
(Think any Pinkel firing talk would be happening with that debut in the SEC? Hell no). And Socal, is Bama in this position if they had our injuries? They may still have been good, but not great. And that is Bama, 97% teams wouldn't be able to handle the type of injuries we sustained and still had a very good year, only a few elite schools could do it.
But, coaches are getting canned for far less crimes than GP has committed. NC States coach was fired after going 7-5. Chiz just won a national champ 2 years ago. Gary has a world of trouble in his personal life, still hasn't locked down the border after 12 years, and just led us to a 5 win season.
The reality is Pinkel is going to be back next year (insert Deal With It). So we as fans are wasting a lot of time arguing about this..
Without those injuries this team evolves very differently. I'm confident putting us at 7 wins. If things aren't a mess we win the Vandy and 'Cuse games. Now toss in a win at FLA, that's 8 wins with a potential of getting the 9th in a bowl.
(Think any Pinkel firing talk would be happening with that debut in the SEC? Hell no). And Socal, is Bama in this position if they had our injuries? They may still have been good, but not great. And that is Bama, 97% teams wouldn't be able to handle the type of injuries we sustained and still had a very good year, only a few elite schools could do it.
But, coaches are getting canned for far less crimes than GP has committed. NC States coach was fired after going 7-5. Chiz just won a national champ 2 years ago. Gary has a world of trouble in his personal life, still hasn't locked down the border after 12 years, and just led us to a 5 win season.
The reality is Pinkel is going to be back next year (insert Deal With It). So we as fans are wasting a lot of time arguing about this..
This post was edited on 11/25/12 at 7:19 pm
Posted on 11/25/12 at 6:51 pm to mograyback
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The reality is Pinkel is going to be back next year (insert Deal With It). So we as fans are wasting a lot of time arguing about this..
Agreed.
It may or maynot be a bad thing. But it would be easy to do much worse than much better in finding his replacment.
Posted on 11/25/12 at 9:38 pm to mograyback
I hear what everyone says about injuries, but I gotta tell ya, I'm really sick of hearing about them. They're part of the game. Every team has them. Some more, some less than we did. But even the injuries don't take blame off of the coaching staff. We lacked depth to have back ups able to step in after injuries and play effectively because either a) the coaches dropped the ball recruiting or b) the coaches failed to work up our 2nd and 3rd stringers so they could step in.
The only thing I'm more tired of hearing than the injuries is that what we do works, we just have to make some adjustments, so nothing needs to change.
The only thing I'm more tired of hearing than the injuries is that what we do works, we just have to make some adjustments, so nothing needs to change.
Posted on 11/25/12 at 10:26 pm to reedus23
Like I posted above, LSU lost almost all of their starting O-Line. How are they now?
What did O-Line injuries have to do with the defense the past three weeks?
What did O-Line injuries have to do with the defense the past three weeks?
Posted on 11/25/12 at 10:28 pm to Stripes314
Are you really comparing the depth of Mizzou to LSU?
These are the types of irrational stuff I was talking about.
You dont think all those 3 and outs affect the defense?
These are the types of irrational stuff I was talking about.
You dont think all those 3 and outs affect the defense?
This post was edited on 11/25/12 at 10:31 pm
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