re: State fans won't like this (because it involves numbers and complicated thought)

I agree that 12 sounds lofty...but looking at the polls, I don't know who i would put up there in front of MSU though. All the teams in the teens and 20s have their flaws. I think the Dogs could beat or lose to pretty much all those guys. It is all about the match ups. I think we have a pretty solid team, will lose to the best team in the country this weekend by 20+ points.