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re: Were the FBI looking for bigger fish ???
Posted on 11/14/10 at 5:17 pm to TutHillTiger
Posted on 11/14/10 at 5:17 pm to TutHillTiger
Interesting post by Killer Instinct off of Tidesports in response to a similar thread there.
"I previously posted an unsubstantiated rumor I read somewhere that Milton McGregor, the owner of Victoryland dog track, and according to your article, an AUburn BOT member, was involved in the Newton saga as the conduit for the cash. According to the story, the FBI had wire taps of McGregor because of this gambling conspiracy, and on those wire taps were conversations that took place between McGregor and Cecil Newton. The problem with the story was the timeline as the FBI arrested McGregor in late October and according to MSU, the Cam shopping didn't start until late November. Now maybe McGregor was stupid enough to continue his role in the pay for play deal for Auburn even after he knew the Feds were watching, and he was released on bond, I don't know. But it's funny that you find this article after I saw the allegation that Milton McGregor was the money man for Auburn. It would be real convenient and easy to launder money and hide it with an operation like Victoryland that handles huge amounts of cash on a daily basis.
Another thing your article alluded to that was commonly known, but never said out loud was how Bobby Lowder became so powerful in Auburn athletic circles. Ole Bobby controlled the purse strings. If you were an Auburn BOT member and you wanted your business to continue to have funds readily available, you played ball with Bobby and did what he wanted or Colonial Bank would find a reason to make your business dealings difficult i.e. they would slow down or cut off the money. And they ALL did business with Colonial as you can see. I'm sure he sucked them all in with sweet deals and promises then when he got his hooks into them, they either did what Bobby wanted or Bobby would get nasty. No, not Bobby, Colonial would get nasty!!!"
IF you think Saban would risk his legacy, with the paying of players, you are as delusional as some others on the board.
If that is not what you meant, then I, sincerely, apologize.
"I previously posted an unsubstantiated rumor I read somewhere that Milton McGregor, the owner of Victoryland dog track, and according to your article, an AUburn BOT member, was involved in the Newton saga as the conduit for the cash. According to the story, the FBI had wire taps of McGregor because of this gambling conspiracy, and on those wire taps were conversations that took place between McGregor and Cecil Newton. The problem with the story was the timeline as the FBI arrested McGregor in late October and according to MSU, the Cam shopping didn't start until late November. Now maybe McGregor was stupid enough to continue his role in the pay for play deal for Auburn even after he knew the Feds were watching, and he was released on bond, I don't know. But it's funny that you find this article after I saw the allegation that Milton McGregor was the money man for Auburn. It would be real convenient and easy to launder money and hide it with an operation like Victoryland that handles huge amounts of cash on a daily basis.
Another thing your article alluded to that was commonly known, but never said out loud was how Bobby Lowder became so powerful in Auburn athletic circles. Ole Bobby controlled the purse strings. If you were an Auburn BOT member and you wanted your business to continue to have funds readily available, you played ball with Bobby and did what he wanted or Colonial Bank would find a reason to make your business dealings difficult i.e. they would slow down or cut off the money. And they ALL did business with Colonial as you can see. I'm sure he sucked them all in with sweet deals and promises then when he got his hooks into them, they either did what Bobby wanted or Bobby would get nasty. No, not Bobby, Colonial would get nasty!!!"
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It will not just stay on the plains.
IF you think Saban would risk his legacy, with the paying of players, you are as delusional as some others on the board.
If that is not what you meant, then I, sincerely, apologize.
This post was edited on 11/14/10 at 5:18 pm
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Posted on 11/14/10 at 5:23 pm to HighBrowCat
One mistake in that first paragraph. McGregor was arrested this year, Cam was shopped for and signed last year.
The timeline with respect to the wiretaps would be perfect. I think I read a while back in the Birmingham news or either in the actual indictment (yes I read it) that the FBI had wire taps on these people for 10 months. I amy be wrong about that and I am not sure where I got that number but that is the number that keeps coming into my mind.
I think the person that wrote that is incorrect with respect to when Uncle Milty was arrested. he was just arrested a month or so ago.
The timeline with respect to the wiretaps would be perfect. I think I read a while back in the Birmingham news or either in the actual indictment (yes I read it) that the FBI had wire taps on these people for 10 months. I amy be wrong about that and I am not sure where I got that number but that is the number that keeps coming into my mind.
I think the person that wrote that is incorrect with respect to when Uncle Milty was arrested. he was just arrested a month or so ago.
Posted on 11/14/10 at 5:25 pm to HighBrowCat
Posted on 11/14/10 at 5:28 pm to BamaScoop
Thanks for clarifying. All the info in this thread is substantial. I'm thinking we will hear some tapes this week.
Posted on 11/14/10 at 5:39 pm to HighBrowCat
I think this thread deserves a sticky.
Posted on 11/14/10 at 5:41 pm to HighBrowCat
Here is a link, he was arrested with the others on October 4th of this year, which was just a few weeks ago.
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Cam signed with Auburn Dec. 31, 2009 and enrolled in january of this year.
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The investigation concluded a month or so before the arrests were made which would have been late August or early September. Take 10 months off of that if that is how long they listened to their phone conversations and that would put you in November of 2009 so if McGregor was talking to anyone at Auburn about Cam Newton or to Nwtons father or to anyone else about any involvement with getting Cam Newton to Auburn the the FBI has it all on tape.
But, there is one thing to consider here. Milton McGregor and 10 or 11 other state elected officials and business owners are facing a federal trial and these tapes are evidence in that trial. Before anything can be released to the NCAA by the FBI it will have to be cleared by the judge and by the federal prosecutor and that could be a lengthy process.
The prosecutor will not ruin a federal corruption case involving business leaders and elected officials that are facing major time in prison over whether or not Auburn paid Cam Newton so the Newton stuff could come out much later, maybe even after the trial. (Assuming there is anything)
If any of this is what is actually going on and I was Cecil Newton I woud be at the FBI headquarters in the morning waiting for them to open their doors. I would not listen to any lawyer Auburn had on payroll or any lawyer in this state that mey be politically tied into this situation. This may be exactly why Cecil Newton has hired an attorney from Atlanta, Ga.
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Cam signed with Auburn Dec. 31, 2009 and enrolled in january of this year.
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The investigation concluded a month or so before the arrests were made which would have been late August or early September. Take 10 months off of that if that is how long they listened to their phone conversations and that would put you in November of 2009 so if McGregor was talking to anyone at Auburn about Cam Newton or to Nwtons father or to anyone else about any involvement with getting Cam Newton to Auburn the the FBI has it all on tape.
But, there is one thing to consider here. Milton McGregor and 10 or 11 other state elected officials and business owners are facing a federal trial and these tapes are evidence in that trial. Before anything can be released to the NCAA by the FBI it will have to be cleared by the judge and by the federal prosecutor and that could be a lengthy process.
The prosecutor will not ruin a federal corruption case involving business leaders and elected officials that are facing major time in prison over whether or not Auburn paid Cam Newton so the Newton stuff could come out much later, maybe even after the trial. (Assuming there is anything)
If any of this is what is actually going on and I was Cecil Newton I woud be at the FBI headquarters in the morning waiting for them to open their doors. I would not listen to any lawyer Auburn had on payroll or any lawyer in this state that mey be politically tied into this situation. This may be exactly why Cecil Newton has hired an attorney from Atlanta, Ga.
This post was edited on 11/14/10 at 5:44 pm
Posted on 11/14/10 at 6:16 pm to BamaScoop
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The Department of Justice in July began notifying various politicians, reporters, lobbyists and others that their conversations may have been picked up during wire taps. The phone taps occurred during a 38-day period this spring when the Alabama Legislature was considering a gambling bill.
I agree with your assessment. Check out the above quote from the 1st link you provided. Spring of 2010, correct? There certainly could be conversations about payments in that timeframe. However, I think that we will hear tapes that MSU recorded before we ever hear the FBI wiretaps recording and I think it will be soon.
Posted on 11/14/10 at 6:21 pm to HighBrowCat
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I agree with your assessment. Check out the above quote from the 1st link you provided. Spring of 2010, correct? There certainly could be conversations about payments in that timeframe. However, I think that we will hear tapes that MSU recorded before we ever hear the FBI wiretaps recording and I think it will be soon.
You're probably right, I think MSU has tapes. I doubt that a rumor about MSU having tapes just came from out of the blue.
So it was 38 days, I don't know where I came up with 10 months. I thought I read that somewhere. maybe something else was 10 months I will often mix things like that up when I have read huge volumes of information.
Posted on 11/14/10 at 6:28 pm to BamaScoop
Look for MSU tapes this week.
To all that participated in this thread, it's been a pleasure. I'll check back later.
To all that participated in this thread, it's been a pleasure. I'll check back later.
Posted on 11/14/10 at 6:54 pm to HighBrowCat
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Before anything can be released to the NCAA by the FBI it will have to be cleared by the judge and by the federal prosecutor and that could be a lengthy process. The prosecutor will not ruin a federal corruption case involving business leaders and elected officials that are facing major time in prison over whether or not Auburn paid Cam Newton so the Newton stuff could come out much later, maybe even after the trial.
True. But there are ways around that -- one example is the NCAA doesn't need it to be released per say, and it can be put in conjunction to what they already have and be a force in what they ultimately decide. NCAA law enforcement is much different and the mediation between the two branches offers up some interesting loopholes for justice to be served.
Posted on 11/14/10 at 6:56 pm to cyde
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If that's the case, this could get almost breathtakingly ugly
I hope it gets as ugly as Rosann Barr....
AuburnPosted on 11/14/10 at 6:57 pm to OliverCloseoff
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True. But there are ways around that -- one example is the NCAA doesn't need it to be released per say, and it can be put in conjunction to what they already have and be a force in what they ultimately decide. NCAA law enforcement is much different and the mediation between the two branches offers up some interesting loopholes for justice to be served.
It will be interesting to see how all of this plays out. I personally don't think Cam will play for Auburn by the time post season arrives.
Posted on 11/14/10 at 7:01 pm to BamaScoop
Scoop, you think this fits in the W&L thread.
Posted on 11/14/10 at 7:01 pm to HighBrowCat
My personal opinion is that the FBI got involved because they consider this to be a case of human trafficking.
Posted on 11/14/10 at 7:05 pm to HighBrowCat
This thread is a beating.
The FBI is involved in this because they are conducting a giant investigation into NFL Agents. It has nothing to do with Auburn boosters.
The FBI is involved in this because they are conducting a giant investigation into NFL Agents. It has nothing to do with Auburn boosters.
Posted on 11/14/10 at 7:10 pm to BamaScoop
Where are all the Auburn fans in this thread?
Posted on 11/14/10 at 7:12 pm to OFWHAP
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Where are all the Auburn fans in this thread?
I don't think they can refute these facts.
Posted on 11/14/10 at 7:16 pm to OFWHAP
Posted on 11/14/10 at 7:19 pm to dr smartass phd
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This thread is a beating. The FBI is involved in this because they are conducting a giant investigation into NFL Agents. It has nothing to do with Auburn boosters.
The FBI just doesn't shun major crimes because they have the main focus on another matter. They pursue all evidence, when they find other matters they don't just frickin' shrug them off, they handle them, too. If needed, they delegate it, an example: the local sheriff's department, or whomever, and they better frickin' proceed quickly, because they (FBI) also follows up. This isn't a game, this isn't frickin' Wal-Mart, it's serious now, and it's being worked by very serious people.
Posted on 11/14/10 at 7:31 pm to LarryDavid
I know someone who was questioned by the FBI (this person wasn't a suspect), and the FBI knows pretty much everything. They know random things you would have done three weeks ago that have absolutely nothing to do with the investigation. They'll have your financial records, they'll have your travel itineraries, they'll know where you've been shopping. If Cecil actually received money from Auburn, MSU, USC, LSU, UF, UT, or any other school, they'll find out about it. Usually it'd be as simple as he put a $200,000 check in the bank, which they would already know about it due to the financial laws of this country. If he didn't put the money into the bank, then we're looking at a potential money laundering scheme and tax evasion.
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