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re: Why would MSU not tell SEC about telephone conversations...
Posted on 11/11/10 at 12:03 pm to MOT
Posted on 11/11/10 at 12:03 pm to MOT
I think this is one of those things where people (from the public and media) are confused because they are now getting second hand accounts of what was and wasn't said months ago
What would MSU report to the SEC in January if they didn't tell them about the "money was too much" quote? Did they just pick up a phone and say... "look we really wanted this guy, we thought we had him... and at the last second he went to Auburn".
That wouldn't seem like much of a report. A verbal allegation of him saying "the money was too much to pass up" is still not much in the way of substance (it's suspicious but doesn't stand alone as evidence)
So if I had to guess I'd guess that they provided a verbal and/or written account of Cam and/or his father saying they couldn't pass up the money. If they have that on tape they probably passed that along in Jan or July too... if there are no tapes then obviously they only have the hearsay
And no matter what (tapes or no tapes) that stuff won't stand alone as proof of wrongdoing without demonstrating some sort of paper trail in Auburn IMO... so yeah it takes a while to investigate for the SEC or NCAA
What would MSU report to the SEC in January if they didn't tell them about the "money was too much" quote? Did they just pick up a phone and say... "look we really wanted this guy, we thought we had him... and at the last second he went to Auburn".
That wouldn't seem like much of a report. A verbal allegation of him saying "the money was too much to pass up" is still not much in the way of substance (it's suspicious but doesn't stand alone as evidence)
So if I had to guess I'd guess that they provided a verbal and/or written account of Cam and/or his father saying they couldn't pass up the money. If they have that on tape they probably passed that along in Jan or July too... if there are no tapes then obviously they only have the hearsay
And no matter what (tapes or no tapes) that stuff won't stand alone as proof of wrongdoing without demonstrating some sort of paper trail in Auburn IMO... so yeah it takes a while to investigate for the SEC or NCAA
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Posted on 11/11/10 at 12:56 pm to molsusports
Why is it hard to understand that there are several logical reasonings for this including that SEC is corrupt as hell.
1) The SEC is corrupt, and anyone thinking any differently is kidding themselves. They are not going to allow a program like Auburn to go down if they can help it seeing Auburn's history as cheaters would net them huge sanctions.
2) MSU didn't have knowledge of the recorded voicemails/tapes that could later corroborate those conversations that the recruiters/coaches are claiming to have had. Thus, it would be putting hearsay in the reports. Now those are being found to exist, and they are comfortable coming out with that information. That's not a stretch seeing as the Newton's seem like they'd be stupid enough to call random boosters trying to grease their palms and even stupider to leave a voicemail.
3) We have no official statement from the SEC on these things. This is all based on a random report claiming an SEC spokesman claimed this, yet he is never quoted which I find hilarious. Auburn fans are clinging on to a paraphrase of what spokesman supposedly said to attack MSU.
People also choose to ignore the realistic fact that MSU gave the information at hand to the SEC initially and continued their investigations over the next several months. They wanted to get all their ducks in a row on the Camgate stuff before giving the reports/info to the corrupt SEC.
1) The SEC is corrupt, and anyone thinking any differently is kidding themselves. They are not going to allow a program like Auburn to go down if they can help it seeing Auburn's history as cheaters would net them huge sanctions.
2) MSU didn't have knowledge of the recorded voicemails/tapes that could later corroborate those conversations that the recruiters/coaches are claiming to have had. Thus, it would be putting hearsay in the reports. Now those are being found to exist, and they are comfortable coming out with that information. That's not a stretch seeing as the Newton's seem like they'd be stupid enough to call random boosters trying to grease their palms and even stupider to leave a voicemail.
3) We have no official statement from the SEC on these things. This is all based on a random report claiming an SEC spokesman claimed this, yet he is never quoted which I find hilarious. Auburn fans are clinging on to a paraphrase of what spokesman supposedly said to attack MSU.
People also choose to ignore the realistic fact that MSU gave the information at hand to the SEC initially and continued their investigations over the next several months. They wanted to get all their ducks in a row on the Camgate stuff before giving the reports/info to the corrupt SEC.
This post was edited on 11/11/10 at 1:06 pm
Posted on 11/11/10 at 1:32 pm to molsusports
quote:That someone claiming to represent Cam tried to extort money.
What would MSU report to the SEC in January if they didn't tell them about the "money was too much" quote? Did they just pick up a phone and say... "look we really wanted this guy, we thought we had him... and at the last second he went to Auburn".
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