re: fumbles on 4th down.

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Also the holder's knee was down when he tossed the ball slightly forward.

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This is legal.

The holder isn't allowed to get up and move the ball, but he can throw or toss from his knee. My dad was a holder. The holder can run with the ball if his knee is off the ground when he catches it.

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Also the holder's knee was down when he tossed the ball slightly forward.

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And?

If you are argue that the play should be dead because the holders knee is on the ground, then please explain why every FG attempt is not blown dead.