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No Star Power on this Team
Posted on 11/10/24 at 12:14 pm
Posted on 11/10/24 at 12:14 pm
The previous years, this team was littered with stars all over the place. What “stars” are currently on this team? This is the glaring issue imo. No Alpha on Defense or Offense. Maybe the players we have aren’t all that good?
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Posted on 11/10/24 at 12:20 pm to Kneehigh
Alpha and Star can be 2 different things. Alpha is more a bad mofo mentality where a star I attribute to actual production. Nakobe was both but last year I’d argue that Bullard and Tykee were good and Bullard possibly an alpha, but not stars but both were leaders.
In 22 JC was a star/ alpha but not a single soul would label him a leader.
Lots of examples but I agree on the whole. We lack leaders, stars, and the couple of alphas I see are freshmen.
In 22 JC was a star/ alpha but not a single soul would label him a leader.
Lots of examples but I agree on the whole. We lack leaders, stars, and the couple of alphas I see are freshmen.
Posted on 11/11/24 at 7:43 am to Kneehigh
I see people blaming bobo like a broken record as if that's our biggest issue (and it is SOMEWHAT of an issue sure), but people are glossing over the fact that we are seriously lacking in talent compared to the last 3 seasons. I think that makes people uncomfortable because Kirby is known above all as an ace recruiter, and since day 1 of his tenure we have bene elite according to the recruiting rankings. And sure, you can reference 247/on3/whatever all you want to look at how many "top 100" 4* guys we have on our roster. All that is meaningless compared to what each and every one of us can see with our own eyeballs.
I'm not even going to begin talking about 2021/2022 compared to now since that is practically a night and day different. But hell just look at even 12 months ago. The roster from LAST YEAR compared to now is jarring:
QB- Beck another year older so SHOULD be improved. He clearly isn't, which may be to all the positiosn to follow
RB- Lose Kendall Milton and D.Edwards. Replaced with a bonafide starter in Etienne (who has been banged up lately), a TFr, and a walkon.
TE- Lose the best TE in history and replace with a bunhc of duds who can only catch or block about half the time
WR- Lost rara thomas and MRJ from last year. Lost our best incoming transfer halfway through the season. Obviously lost Ladd. Bell and Dom are really good support pieces but now their #1 go-to to take heat off of them in Ladd has been replaced with...arian smith.
OL- Mostly the same but lost an elite tackle in Mims and an NFL caliber center in SVP. Our best returning OL in ratledge has been hurt half the year and the rest of the starters are guys that woulnd't sniff the starting 5 under pittman or luke. Combine that wiht a shitty retread OL coach and it's not good news
DL- Mostly all returned so should be consistent/improved from 2023, but this group isn' in the same universe as 2021/2022.
LB- Lost one starter to another SEC team and another starter has been hurt most of ht eyear. Relying on 2 sophomores that saw spot duty last year. Decent position group.
Star- Lost All American tykee smith and replaced with aguero
CB- Replaced Kamari lassiter with julian humphrey
S- replaced javon bullard with dan jackson
We aren't completley devoid of talent like a vandy or MSU by any means. But people have 2021-2023 expectations for this team which is simply misplaced because we don' have near the dudes we had on those teams. How many times last year did bullard or kamari completley snuff out a 3rd down that would've helped this year? How many times did carson get in trouhle and throw to brock or ladd to pick up a 1st? How many times would carson almost get sacked but amarius mims picked up a block that this year freeling or greene have whiffed on?
The talent level of this team should lead to expectations more in line with one of the better richt years and that's how things are now playing out. We've got it all actually. 1- A huge, enormous win that got the whole country talking. 2- A close loss to a team that has more talent than us where we were left with a bunch of "what-if?"s 3- A complete WTF head scrathcer where it looks like we forgot to even get off the bus. As long as our talent stays about where it is we have no hope at winning another title. I fricking despise the NIL/portal era but I have to accept it beucase that's just how things are now, so we better learn to allocate our NIL funds appropriatley or this is what we're going to keep getting. OM owned us for many reasons but the main one was they kicked the shite out of us on the LOS. if we don't pony up for elite OL we aren't going anywhere.
I'm not even going to begin talking about 2021/2022 compared to now since that is practically a night and day different. But hell just look at even 12 months ago. The roster from LAST YEAR compared to now is jarring:
QB- Beck another year older so SHOULD be improved. He clearly isn't, which may be to all the positiosn to follow
RB- Lose Kendall Milton and D.Edwards. Replaced with a bonafide starter in Etienne (who has been banged up lately), a TFr, and a walkon.
TE- Lose the best TE in history and replace with a bunhc of duds who can only catch or block about half the time
WR- Lost rara thomas and MRJ from last year. Lost our best incoming transfer halfway through the season. Obviously lost Ladd. Bell and Dom are really good support pieces but now their #1 go-to to take heat off of them in Ladd has been replaced with...arian smith.
OL- Mostly the same but lost an elite tackle in Mims and an NFL caliber center in SVP. Our best returning OL in ratledge has been hurt half the year and the rest of the starters are guys that woulnd't sniff the starting 5 under pittman or luke. Combine that wiht a shitty retread OL coach and it's not good news
DL- Mostly all returned so should be consistent/improved from 2023, but this group isn' in the same universe as 2021/2022.
LB- Lost one starter to another SEC team and another starter has been hurt most of ht eyear. Relying on 2 sophomores that saw spot duty last year. Decent position group.
Star- Lost All American tykee smith and replaced with aguero
CB- Replaced Kamari lassiter with julian humphrey
S- replaced javon bullard with dan jackson
We aren't completley devoid of talent like a vandy or MSU by any means. But people have 2021-2023 expectations for this team which is simply misplaced because we don' have near the dudes we had on those teams. How many times last year did bullard or kamari completley snuff out a 3rd down that would've helped this year? How many times did carson get in trouhle and throw to brock or ladd to pick up a 1st? How many times would carson almost get sacked but amarius mims picked up a block that this year freeling or greene have whiffed on?
The talent level of this team should lead to expectations more in line with one of the better richt years and that's how things are now playing out. We've got it all actually. 1- A huge, enormous win that got the whole country talking. 2- A close loss to a team that has more talent than us where we were left with a bunch of "what-if?"s 3- A complete WTF head scrathcer where it looks like we forgot to even get off the bus. As long as our talent stays about where it is we have no hope at winning another title. I fricking despise the NIL/portal era but I have to accept it beucase that's just how things are now, so we better learn to allocate our NIL funds appropriatley or this is what we're going to keep getting. OM owned us for many reasons but the main one was they kicked the shite out of us on the LOS. if we don't pony up for elite OL we aren't going anywhere.
Posted on 11/11/24 at 7:49 am to WG_Dawg
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I see people blaming bobo like a broken record as if that's our biggest issue (and it is SOMEWHAT of an issue sure), but people are glossing over the fact that we are seriously lacking in talent compared to the last 3 seasons. I think that makes people uncomfortable because Kirby is known above all as an ace recruiter, and since day 1 of his tenure we have bene elite according to the recruiting rankings. And sure, you can reference 247/on3/whatever all you want to look at how many "top 100" 4* guys we have on our roster. All that is meaningless compared to what each and every one of us can see with our own eyeballs.
This may all be true, but if it is, we are incompetent in our evaluation of offensive players.
You also can’t convince me that our offensive players are so bad that UGA is completely impotent to do anything for huge chunks of games against even bad teams. We’re not talking about making chicken salad out of chicken shite. We’re talking about making chicken salad out of chicken, mayo, etc. That should be doable even if we’re not as immensely talented as we’ve been.
I mean we have an OL that has all played pretty good football before but have now each regressed individually so badly that they are unable to do anything reliably well. Same thing with QB.
We don’t need Carson Beck and Earnest Greene to be Deshaun Watson or Broderick Jones. If they were just the same Beck and Greene as we had 12 months ago, we’d probably be undefeated right now.
This post was edited on 11/11/24 at 7:53 am
Posted on 11/11/24 at 8:06 am to Crowknowsbest
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This may all be true, but if it is, we are incompetent in our evaluation of offensive players.
I agree wiht you. I don't necessarily know if I'd say incompetent, but we have massively whiffed lately that's for sure. The only reason anyone has ever hired James Coley is becuase he's known as a lights out recruiter specifically in south florida. Well now that NIL is here that is negated so what does he do? Searels has always been a bum and I think I read he's only recruited ONE five star in his entire career. What do we have him for?
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You also can’t convince me that our offensive players are so bad that UGA is completely impotent to do anything for huge chunks of games against even bad teams. We’re not talking about making chicken salad out of chicken shite. We’re talking about making chicken salad out of chicken, mayo, etc. That should be doable even if we’re not as immensely talented as we’ve been.
the only kinda sorta apples to apples comparison we have is last year. I say that becuase it's the same OC with the same systme, and a really big chunk of the smae players. So what's the difference? Bobo didn't copmletley overhaul his system from last yera to now. We haven't hcanged philosophies from last yera to now. The difference is that we had guys like ladd, brock, mims, etc that made things go and now we don't.
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I mean we have an OL that has all played pretty good football before but have now each regressed individually so badly that they are unable to do anything reliably well.
to me this is a combo of searles being awful, losing some guys (ratledge this year, and losing our best OL and C from last year), and missed recruiting evals (which goes back to searles). How many of our starting 5 would start for the top 5 teams in america? Probably none. Maybe 1.
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Same thing with QB.
I'm as annoyed at carson as everyone else but when your line can't block and your recievers can't catch the balls you do throw to them I can see there being a stat regression.
Posted on 11/11/24 at 8:07 am to Crowknowsbest
Yeah I think both things are true. The talent at skill positions, especially pass-catchers is rough.
Losing the two big guys hurts for sure. But at the same time, guys like Dom Lovett and Lawson Luckie should be featured more. I don't know if Dom has caught a ball in the air over 20 yards this year. Which he has dropped a few but still. He had a massive year at Mizzou and then just catches screens and 4 yard slants for us.
Yurosek should never be targeted in the passing game. He is Charlie woerner or John Fitzpatrick. Lucky should get every target that goes to TE.
Arian and Bell are what they are. 6th or 7th round picks that have some good skills but not elite or great across the board.
Also, if ETN wasn't such a pussy I think he should be featured like Bijian in passing game.
So I think the overall talent is definitely down for the skill positions but we could also be doing more to get the good players have the ball in creative ways or in ways that highlight their skill set. Carson hitting open dudes would help too.
Losing the two big guys hurts for sure. But at the same time, guys like Dom Lovett and Lawson Luckie should be featured more. I don't know if Dom has caught a ball in the air over 20 yards this year. Which he has dropped a few but still. He had a massive year at Mizzou and then just catches screens and 4 yard slants for us.
Yurosek should never be targeted in the passing game. He is Charlie woerner or John Fitzpatrick. Lucky should get every target that goes to TE.
Arian and Bell are what they are. 6th or 7th round picks that have some good skills but not elite or great across the board.
Also, if ETN wasn't such a pussy I think he should be featured like Bijian in passing game.
So I think the overall talent is definitely down for the skill positions but we could also be doing more to get the good players have the ball in creative ways or in ways that highlight their skill set. Carson hitting open dudes would help too.
Posted on 11/11/24 at 8:10 am to K9
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I think the overall talent is definitely down for the skill positions but we could also be doing more to get the good players have the ball in creative ways or in ways that highlight their skill set
I think this sums it up better than I did.
Posted on 11/11/24 at 8:25 am to WG_Dawg
Just the wrong mix of extremely talented players. Like having a racecard with all the latest but the wrong fuel pump and faulty turbo gate.
Posted on 11/11/24 at 9:11 am to WG_Dawg
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Bobo didn't copmletley overhaul his system from last yera to now. We haven't hcanged philosophies from last yera to now. The difference is that we had guys like ladd, brock, mims, etc that made things go and now we don't.
See, but this is exactly the issue. We should be making adjustments and major changes to our attack all the time so we can stay ahead of opponents adjusting to our scheme and tendencies. I bet if you watched a Lane Kiffin offense from 3 years ago, it would look a lot different from the one OM ran on Saturday. If you aren’t evolving, you’re going to get caught, because obviously. This was a part of the problem with hiring Bobo in the first place. He has not demonstrated an ability to adapt and succeed at multiple stops since his first UGA run ended, and now our entire offensive attack has deteriorated in less than two years since his predecessor left. Whether that’s a personnel, scheme, or execution problem, it ultimately falls on him (and Kirby). I have very limited faith that Bobo is equipped or motivated to fix it, regardless of his past success here under Richt.
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How many of our starting 5 would start for the top 5 teams in america? Probably none. Maybe 1.
I think you’re overrating other teams’ OLs. Bad OL play is epidemic. OSU, Oregon, Texas all struggle there. The difference is they have innovative offensive staffs to mitigate the damage and score points.
Posted on 11/11/24 at 9:20 am to Crowknowsbest
What are the chances that Kirby is forcing Bobo to run Monkens offense?
Bobos whole career has been based on run game and play action pass. All this usually happening from under center for majority of plays.
Monken comes in and is super creative and the offense looks great. Kirby likes results and thinks he needs it to keep recruiting high end skill guys (which is correct).
Bobos whole career has been based on run game and play action pass. All this usually happening from under center for majority of plays.
Monken comes in and is super creative and the offense looks great. Kirby likes results and thinks he needs it to keep recruiting high end skill guys (which is correct).
Posted on 11/11/24 at 9:32 am to K9
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What are the chances that Kirby is forcing Bobo to run Monkens offense?
I would guess this is correct though I haven't compared the play-calling then and now to know of sure.
But assuming it is, I don't think we have a good enough OL for an under center play-action offense.
We aren't getting good run blocking with this OL so we need to be running or passing outside to mitigate our weak OL which is very difficult to do under center with one RB in the backfield.
But I guess if we went with 2 running backs in an i-formation, we could fake the dive and pitch out to the trailing RB.
The problem with that of course is we're darn sparse in the RB department.
This post was edited on 11/11/24 at 10:44 am
Posted on 11/11/24 at 9:44 am to GurleyGirl
In general I like when the RB momentum is coming down hill and towards LOS vs from shotgun. Feel like a RB will have better vision and is in general more successful.
Doesn't have to be i-form as that is kind of outdated, but pistol/ace sets with TE could be run (more) with this team. PA helps with pass rush if it is good enough.
Perfect offense to me would be a 49er or Rams type. I wish would hire someone from that tree.
Doesn't have to be i-form as that is kind of outdated, but pistol/ace sets with TE could be run (more) with this team. PA helps with pass rush if it is good enough.
Perfect offense to me would be a 49er or Rams type. I wish would hire someone from that tree.
Posted on 11/11/24 at 10:17 am to WG_Dawg
I agree WG. I think people assume that if we have consistent top recruiting classes that we’ll always have top tier results and unfortunately with NIL and the NFL draft affecting your roster that’s not always the case. A&M went out and bought a ton of talent under Jimbo and sucked…while other teams can outperform with lesser talent that are all seniors and have played together for years. Sometimes you get unexpected results from a kid like Ladd or you have a Heisman front runner not perform as expected for whatever reason.
Everyone always wants to blame that coach, or that player, but look across the SEC. Every team has at least 1 WTF loss and several have a WTF win. Some of the best players in the conference look like arse for a few games and then a Heisman candidate the next. Our defense couldn’t stop Ole Miss but dominated Texas and gave them their only loss.
The fact is it’s always been a combination of talent, experience, leadership and coaching that leads to wins. Unless we’re willing to concede that our coaching staff all of a sudden sucks then I would look to the other 3.
Everyone always wants to blame that coach, or that player, but look across the SEC. Every team has at least 1 WTF loss and several have a WTF win. Some of the best players in the conference look like arse for a few games and then a Heisman candidate the next. Our defense couldn’t stop Ole Miss but dominated Texas and gave them their only loss.
The fact is it’s always been a combination of talent, experience, leadership and coaching that leads to wins. Unless we’re willing to concede that our coaching staff all of a sudden sucks then I would look to the other 3.
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