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The "We Are Alabama" Factor?
Posted on 12/22/08 at 10:29 pm
Posted on 12/22/08 at 10:29 pm
I saw Scoop talking to another Bama fan in the RR thread about this. He basically said that Alabama would exceed expectations and go (at worst) 10-2 next season in a "rebuilding year" because of some mythic "We are Alabama" effect that presupposes that the Tide will win more games than other programs in similar situations simply because "We are Alabama"
This is something I have seen and heard a lot of from some Bama fans and I'm here to set the record straight.
Simply "being Alabama" doesn't mean jack shite. You had a huge as frick run in the 60's and 70's not because you're Alabama, but because you had the best coach of all time operating in a scholarship free environment with little NCAA regulation enforcement.
There is nothing inherently better about Alabama as compared to Florida, LSU or Georgia. There might be a SLIGHT advantage over Tennessee because the Vols don't have your natural recruiting base, and another small advantage over Auburn because you're school is named after the state and their's isn't.
However, your fanbase, facility quality, AD and football budget and any other tool we can use to compare programs is basically the same as the 3 schools I mentioned (Actually, Florida is probably #1 with LSU, UGA, and Bama bunched up right behind.)
You have been EXTREMELY lucky to be blessed with the coaching talent that you've had, which is the only thing that seperates you from the other big boys. Bear Bryant would have won 6 National Titles at LSU, too.
This is something I have seen and heard a lot of from some Bama fans and I'm here to set the record straight.
Simply "being Alabama" doesn't mean jack shite. You had a huge as frick run in the 60's and 70's not because you're Alabama, but because you had the best coach of all time operating in a scholarship free environment with little NCAA regulation enforcement.
There is nothing inherently better about Alabama as compared to Florida, LSU or Georgia. There might be a SLIGHT advantage over Tennessee because the Vols don't have your natural recruiting base, and another small advantage over Auburn because you're school is named after the state and their's isn't.
However, your fanbase, facility quality, AD and football budget and any other tool we can use to compare programs is basically the same as the 3 schools I mentioned (Actually, Florida is probably #1 with LSU, UGA, and Bama bunched up right behind.)
You have been EXTREMELY lucky to be blessed with the coaching talent that you've had, which is the only thing that seperates you from the other big boys. Bear Bryant would have won 6 National Titles at LSU, too.
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Posted on 12/22/08 at 10:31 pm to Draconian Sanctions
1) Don't listen to Scoop.
2) Alabama is better than you.
2) Alabama is better than you.
Posted on 12/22/08 at 10:33 pm to Draconian Sanctions
yawn
Posted on 12/22/08 at 10:40 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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Bear Bryant would have won 6 National Titles at LSU, too.
But he didn't - and the reason he didn't is because he was recruited to play for Alabama by Frank Thomas, where he played on a National Championship Team in 1934 and learned how important a winning tradition is. When Alabama called he came running.
Posted on 12/22/08 at 10:49 pm to Tidetoit
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But he didn't - and the reason he didn't is because he was recruited to play for Alabama by Frank Thomas, where he played on a National Championship Team in 1934 and learned how important a winning tradition is. When Alabama called he came running.
Frank Thomas didn't recruit him. Some scout lucked into him in fricking Morrow Bottom, Arkansas and brought him to Tuscaloosa. Read The Last Coach
This post was edited on 12/22/08 at 10:50 pm
Posted on 12/22/08 at 10:51 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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I'm here to set the record straight.
You did a poor job.
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You had a huge as frick run in the 60's and 70's not because you're Alabama, but because you had the best coach of all time operating in a scholarship free environment with little NCAA regulation enforcement.
Longer than just then. With other great coaches.And everyone else had the same scholarship free enviroment with little NCAA regulation enforcement. Wrong on all counts, but good try.
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There is nothing inherently better about Alabama as compared to Florida, LSU or Georgia.
Florida has definately caught up in the last 20 years. Georgia is good, but not the history. Lsu, while a very good historic program, is just now having its "glory" years. Alabama has sustained them over decades. With our worst time in history just having happened, we are now back into the top mix of the football world, and should be able to sustain again.
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There might be a SLIGHT advantage over Tennessee because the Vols don't have your natural recruiting base, and another small advantage over Auburn because you're school is named after the state and their's isn't.
There is one over Tennessee. They have to recruit nationally, but they are historically right behind us in the SEC. Auburn, has had the upper hand while we have been down and always keeps it pretty even in wins. However, nationally, no comparison. We are Alabama, they are not in the same league.
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your fanbase
Is rabid, and huge and spread out all over the nation. Often times delusional, and often times right.
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Bear Bryant would have won 6 National Titles at LSU, too.
Possibly, but they were won at Alabama, because... We are Alabama.
Posted on 12/22/08 at 10:55 pm to LuckyLee
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2) Alabama is better than you.
The last 26 years of history would indicate quite the contrary.
This post was edited on 12/22/08 at 10:57 pm
Posted on 12/22/08 at 11:00 pm to Tiger Phil
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The last 26 years of history would indicate quite the contrary.
Alabama was hands down better than LSU is the 90s, it's not even close. We've sucked arse this decade, our worst decade of football ever. That's why you can spew some bullshite stat like you did.
Posted on 12/22/08 at 11:01 pm to Alahunter
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Lsu, while a very good historic program, is just now having its "glory" years. Alabama has sustained them over decades.
And why is that? not because of some "we are alabama" BS. But because you had better coaches.
Don't get me wrong, you've certainly done a good job with that. But even you would have to admit that Alabama was lucky as hell to get Saban. Bryant was maybe a little less lucky since he played there and all. But honestly you're rolling the dice to some extent with every coaching hire.
That being said, we've done a great job making our situation worse on ourselves with the kinds of decisions some administrators have made. Hopefully that's over now.
I'm not trying to bash Alabama's history. You won those games and titles and that's great for you. but it's not an entitlment.
This post was edited on 12/22/08 at 11:03 pm
Posted on 12/22/08 at 11:02 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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And why is that? not because of some "we are alabama" BS. But because you had better coaches.
You say this like it doesn't count or something.
Posted on 12/22/08 at 11:03 pm to Draconian Sanctions
This thread is completely pointless.
Posted on 12/22/08 at 11:03 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Even when we had bad coaches. They have all had 10 win seasons. That is attributable to the program as a whole. Not every bad coach is going to get 10 wins in their tenure in a conference like the SEC. If that's the case, then every other program would have some.
Posted on 12/22/08 at 11:04 pm to LuckyLee
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You say this like it doesn't count or something.
not at all. Read the rest, dipshit.
Posted on 12/22/08 at 11:05 pm to Alahunter
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Not every bad coach is going to get 10 wins in their tenure in a conference like the SEC. If that's the case, then every other program would have some.
Stovall went to a Sugar Bowl and an Orange Bowl.
Archer had a 10 win season.
Dinardo had a 10 win season.
Les is supposedly an idiot and he's 41-11.
This post was edited on 12/22/08 at 11:06 pm
Posted on 12/22/08 at 11:06 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Curly
Posted on 12/22/08 at 11:06 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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The "We Are Alabama" Factor?
Just to let you know it's not the we are Alabama factor it's the We are Alabama with Saban
Posted on 12/22/08 at 11:06 pm to LuckyLee
Beginning in 1983:
Wins: Alabama - 214, LSU - 189
SEC West Championships: Alabama - 7, LSU - 4
SEC Championships: LSU - 5, Alabama - 3
National Championships: LSU - 2, Alabama - 1
You have us on wins and SEC West Championships, but LSU has you on the championships that matter.
Which holds more value?
Wins: Alabama - 214, LSU - 189
SEC West Championships: Alabama - 7, LSU - 4
SEC Championships: LSU - 5, Alabama - 3
National Championships: LSU - 2, Alabama - 1
You have us on wins and SEC West Championships, but LSU has you on the championships that matter.
Which holds more value?
Posted on 12/22/08 at 11:07 pm to Alahunter
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Curly
1 exception
He also just got fired as a high school coach after a winless season. He would have sucked anywhere.
Posted on 12/22/08 at 11:09 pm to Draconian Sanctions
1909 - 1995 Lsu had 3 , 10+ win seasons.
1909 - 1995 Bama had 24, 10+ win seasons.
Bear did not coach 86 years.
1909 - 1995 Bama had 24, 10+ win seasons.
Bear did not coach 86 years.
Posted on 12/22/08 at 11:09 pm to Tiger Phil
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Tiger Phil
You're not helping.
And what you just quoted is totally off the point.
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