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re: Clemson joins FSU in ACC Lawsuit

Posted on 3/20/24 at 4:17 pm to
Posted by scrooster
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Posted on 3/20/24 at 4:17 pm to
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As I said, I don't think that's relevant anymore.

As we go more to a streaming setup, people are going to order services (including ESPN) 'as needed'. The money will come from the subscriptions, not the advertising. They need content, and more people will pay to see Texas vs Clemson, than to see Maryland vs UVA. There will be CFB junkies in Big 10 country who will order ESPN just to watch premium SEC games. They will likely keep it all season for those weekly matchups.
There's a few Big 10 matchups, but not a ton; not enough to encourage SEC (or Big 12) viewers to keep a Big 10 package all season. Might wanna watch Ohio State/Michigan/Oregon/Penn State matchups, but the rest is filler; either boring teams on both sides, or a boring team getting waxed by a good one.

That's the model we're moving to. The more elite teams (such as, yes, Clemson or Oklahoma, with a relatively small footprint, but a big national presence), the more you can market to the nation and keep subscriptions OUTSIDE the footprint.

Ok friend, listen .... not arguing here because this is the internet and thus it's all a fruitless endeavor unless I'm on the German Sheppard boards or the Physics forums where I'm learning applicable lessons. But scoob .... you're insane if you believe the TV profit model is built around subscriptions. They already tried that with college football PPV and it didn't work. It barely works as an NFL/NBA/MLB add-on package model geared toward the bettors.

Subscription fees (a few bucks per household per month) garnered via streaming services are for basic operating costs. That's it. They in no way are structured for profit. Profit is generated through ad revenue and through ticket sales and stadium related revenue and club related donor revenue .... on a college level.

Ad revenue is everything. And a great portion of add revenue, for college games, is generated via local/regional ad campaigns from businesses such as auto dealerships (a huge market segment), restaurants/hotels/tourism/entertainment (all on a local/regional scale), legal services and medical services. At least 30% of every event (inventory) are local/regional ad spots. Another 5% is allocated for the streaming service itself, depending upon their subscription deal, for their sales department to sell. Another 5% goes to charitable foundations (think Tunnel 2 Towers) and to the schools themselves for self promotion as well as spots to all one or both conferences, and the remaining 60% goes to the content provider ..... ESPN, CBS, ABC, FOX, et al.

The objective has always been, but until now has never been realized, to have a prime time marquee matchup every Saturday afternoon (1A) as well as a (1B) matchup for prime time Saturday night along with a bunch of filler inventory (2, 3, 4, 5, 6) with the other games.

OOC game ad revenue (broadcast rights) will continue to be governed by homefield advantage with the refs coming from the visiting (or sometimes neutral) conference.

In short, to counter your claim, Clemson and FSU will continue to have the option to schedule SEC teams as OOC games, in addition to their instate rivalry games. But they bring nothing to the conference as full-fledged members.

Anyways, this is now beating a dead horse. It's not gonna happen, it gets us nowhere. If anything it would permanently hamstring the conference. It would open the door for the B1G to swoop in and embed themselves in NC and VA, with flagship universities, when the ACC implodes.

Let the B1G gorge itself to death. It's better for the SEC to stay lean and mean.

This post was edited on 3/20/24 at 4:53 pm
Posted by Scoob
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Posted on 3/21/24 at 11:27 am to
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But scoob .... you're insane if you believe the TV profit model is built around subscriptions
Scrooster, I know it sounds insane, but I can see it being attempted at.

The money cycle is beginning to get imbalanced. TV payouts are going up, up, up; at the same time Disney (ESPN's parent company) is beginning to hemorrhage money everywhere. They're already putting some lesser sports on ESPN+, some of the SEC baseball teams have been on it. That's an additional sub outside of having ESPN and SEC Network, most of us LSU fans listened to the radio for our game.

I'm older and tend to resist change, so I still have cable- but I also have 4 different streaming apps on my firestick. I justify "cable" by saying it's also my internet provider, and I also want to keep ESPN and the SEC Network... but I find it's a waste of money, as I haven't watched a TV show on cable in over a year. Local news, and sporting events are all I really watch on cable. My location doesn't seem to get all the local OTA from the same antenna position (as of a decade ago, the last time I tried)... but I'm guessing it's better now.
Younger people are already dropping cable, and hitting Youtube or Hulu with ESPN for football season, then dropping it outside of that. You can see a number of people saying exactly that on the Tech Board.

When that becomes more common (and the way things go, that will happen within a decade, or 2 at the most), subscriptions will climb in price. They're going to have to, to keep up. Money drives everything.

As for Clemson and Fla State entering the SEC- the SEC is "regional", but it's also national. It's widely understood as the premier college football conference, the top tier. Adding Texas and Oklahoma was adding national brands, that happened to be within the footprint. Adding Clemson and FSU would be the same action; and as I said, I could see the target being 24. Those 2 would bring us to 18, still room for 6 more. That 6 could be TARGETING Virginia, UNC, Duke, NC State, maybe Miami, maybe Ga Tech or Va Tech. Those schools may be more inclined to come to the SEC (not the Big 10) if they maintain their traditional rivalries.

Doing that would set up perfectly for maintaining regional (perfectly aligned geographic) "subconferences", in groups of 8. The overall SEC becomes Top Tier College Football... the "East or Atlantic" group, the "Central" or core SEC teams, and the "West" group.
Basically the modern equivalent of having the SEC, ACC, and SWC conferences, but all under one flag.



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