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re: Lawyer's Perspective: Georgia is Objectively a Top Four Team
Posted on 12/7/23 at 12:11 pm to Jebadeb
Posted on 12/7/23 at 12:11 pm to Jebadeb
Ah, an LSU lawyer. Is this Mike Johnson?
Yes, precedent helps predict the most competitive playoff teams. If that wasn’t the case, then the Power Five should receive little deference.
That is false. You are only advanced in the rankings if (1) the losing team lost by either a wide margin or to a poorer team; or (2) the advancing team achieved a quality win. Case in point, if that was a regular season game, UGA would not have fallen five slots.
But they were ranked behind Georgia heading into championship weekend. If that win over OSU was impressive enough to rank them #1, then they should’ve achieved that ranking prior to beating an Iowa team that would likely be 6-6 in the SEC.
See above.
The fact that an inferior Washington team should not advance in ranks at the expense of a superior Georgia team is at least somewhat relevant. I don’t think you’re too conversant with the definition of the word, “irrelevant.”
Do they not teach logical reasoning in ol’ Louisiana? A strawman is used to erect a poor and irrelevant argument in order to distract from the pith of the matter. I drew a highly relevant and apropos analogy that proves my point. Liberty would not be admitted over FSU or Washington for the same reason that FSU or Washington should not be admitted over Georgia. People bemoan FSU’s exclusion because they play in the “Power 5.” I dispelled your semantical argument by showing that relative conference strength is more important than semantically driven group conference categories.
They "may" indeed, but only if the losing higher ranked team’s defeat and the lower ranked team’s victory merited a change in ranks. A 3-point loss from Alabama and a win over a South Alabama / UCF defeated OK State team does not logically result in a five ranking flip.
That is literally how I ranked the teams at the end of the post. Keep up.
FSU has a victory over a mediocre LSU and a losing Florida team, which they barely beat. Which ACC teams and which SEC teams? The juggernauts of each conference, or the bottom dwellers? Are you actually suggesting that Georgia or Alabama would have suffered a loss to any ACC team this year? Since Georgia’s only loss came to Alabama, answering that question is the only relevance of an SEC to ACC comparison. The fact that Syracuse may have beaten Vanderbilt is slightly irrelevant to determining the strength of the SEC vs. the ACC regarding playoff positioning.
Given that I just defeated every one of your counterarguments, I’d reevaluate your position.
You may be a lawyer as well, but I'm guessing we play on different fields.
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Historical statistics should not be taken into account for this year's rankings.
Yes, precedent helps predict the most competitive playoff teams. If that wasn’t the case, then the Power Five should receive little deference.
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Incorrect. A team may move up simply because a team ahead of it has lost a game.
That is false. You are only advanced in the rankings if (1) the losing team lost by either a wide margin or to a poorer team; or (2) the advancing team achieved a quality win. Case in point, if that was a regular season game, UGA would not have fallen five slots.
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Cherry-picking facts. Michigan has a win over Ohio State which is better than any win of UGA. Also, a win a against Penn State.
But they were ranked behind Georgia heading into championship weekend. If that win over OSU was impressive enough to rank them #1, then they should’ve achieved that ranking prior to beating an Iowa team that would likely be 6-6 in the SEC.
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Past seasons don't matter.
See above.
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Irrelevant.
The fact that an inferior Washington team should not advance in ranks at the expense of a superior Georgia team is at least somewhat relevant. I don’t think you’re too conversant with the definition of the word, “irrelevant.”
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Strawman argument.
Do they not teach logical reasoning in ol’ Louisiana? A strawman is used to erect a poor and irrelevant argument in order to distract from the pith of the matter. I drew a highly relevant and apropos analogy that proves my point. Liberty would not be admitted over FSU or Washington for the same reason that FSU or Washington should not be admitted over Georgia. People bemoan FSU’s exclusion because they play in the “Power 5.” I dispelled your semantical argument by showing that relative conference strength is more important than semantically driven group conference categories.
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Again, incorrect. A team may rise just because a team ahead of it lost.
They "may" indeed, but only if the losing higher ranked team’s defeat and the lower ranked team’s victory merited a change in ranks. A 3-point loss from Alabama and a win over a South Alabama / UCF defeated OK State team does not logically result in a five ranking flip.
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Ignores the critical fact that Texas beat Bama head to head. It logically follows that Texas should be ahead of Bama, and Bama should be ahead of UGA.
That is literally how I ranked the teams at the end of the post. Keep up.
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See above. Also fails to mention that FSU beat two SEC teams and that ACC has the head-to-head over SEC this year.
FSU has a victory over a mediocre LSU and a losing Florida team, which they barely beat. Which ACC teams and which SEC teams? The juggernauts of each conference, or the bottom dwellers? Are you actually suggesting that Georgia or Alabama would have suffered a loss to any ACC team this year? Since Georgia’s only loss came to Alabama, answering that question is the only relevance of an SEC to ACC comparison. The fact that Syracuse may have beaten Vanderbilt is slightly irrelevant to determining the strength of the SEC vs. the ACC regarding playoff positioning.
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Finally, this analysis is rife with bias, false assumptions, and conclusory allegations without supporting data.
Given that I just defeated every one of your counterarguments, I’d reevaluate your position.
You may be a lawyer as well, but I'm guessing we play on different fields.
This post was edited on 12/7/23 at 12:14 pm
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