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re: Let’s Talk Officiating

Posted on 11/26/23 at 11:23 am to
Posted by thatthang
Member since Jan 2012
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Posted on 11/26/23 at 11:23 am to
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UT wins next year. Series probably splits till Nicky retires


I knew you weren't a serious person, but



Go to 17 second mark on that video. UT player clearly leads with the crown of his helmet and hits Young right in the facemask a step or two after he releases. You can clearly see his head snap back from the initial contact on the facemask.


Only one indicator of targeting is needed here, but two are met:

(3) Leading with helmet, shoulder, forearm, fist, hand or elbow to attack with forcible contact at the head or neck area
(4) Lowering the head before attacking by initiating forcible contact with the crown of the helmet



Here's how this discussion between you and me would go if I was interested in further interacting with your unhinged arse. You will likely dispute that UTK player initiated with the crown. I would then educate you that the crown is the "portion of the helmet above the level of the top of the facemask," and clearly that's where contact was made here after he cleary lowers his head right before initiating contact. I would point out again that, nevertheless, the crown issue is a side argument, that all we need is #3 to call this targeting and only a lunatic would argue we don't have that here. We could argue for hours over where the force of the hit was absorbed, but because you are unhinged and incapable of acknowledging reality due to your debilitating confirmation bias, you will never admit the indisputable truth that the UTk player made 'forcible contact at the head or neck area' of Bryce. At this point I would point out that if you interviewed a thousand people who are rules experts or just watch college football and are not insane like you, it is my strong opinion that a vast majority agrees #3 is indisputable and #4 was probably also met. You would likely argue that the percentages were lower, but you would agree that some people would likely agree that "forcible contact at the head or neck area." At that point I would point out this part from the intro paragraph targeting: "When in question, it is a foul." Discussion over. You lost. You are unhinged and incapable of rationally discussing this topic, which was clear to me from the beginning.

ETA the video again, here:

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This post was edited on 11/26/23 at 11:37 am
Posted by VOLhalla
Knoxville
Member since Feb 2011
4467 posts
Posted on 11/26/23 at 11:39 am to
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Go to 17 second mark on that video. UT player clearly leads with the crown of his helmet and hits Young right in the facemask a step or two after he releases


The crown of the helmet is the top of the helmet, not the face mask and portion of the helmet right above the face mask, which is the part of the defender’s helmet that makes contact. You honestly don’t know what the crown of the helmet is???

Young is defenseless in that clip so what you posted might be targeting. What you’re not considering is that the defender begins to raise his left arm before making contact and then the actual hit is obscured by other players. If the defender initialized contact with his helmet to young’s helmet that’s targeting. If he initializes contact with his left arm/hand, it’s not targeting. And the clip you provided doesn’t show definitively which happened first. What you posted could be targeting, we simply can’t draw that conclusion from what you linked.

I’m not shocked that someone who does not know what the crown of the helmet is doesn’t understand the targeting rule
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