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Unbiased perspective of Miller situation

Posted on 2/22/23 at 11:46 pm
Posted by Patterns
Member since Feb 2023
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Posted on 2/22/23 at 11:46 pm
What is best for the victim's family, Miller, Alabama athletics, Tuscaloosa PD/DA and public perception?

Fact of the matter is the AD is putting the DA's office in a tight spot.

The DA will have to navigate what information can be released without compromising the criminal case.
It is imperative the DAs office operate with the utmost integrity which includes the collection of Miller's phone records and text messages.

This will help exonerate Miller and the AD for their decisions thus far. Rational Alabama fans agree with me.

If the DA is caught withholding incriminating evidence against Miller, Alabama will deserve every ounce of public backlash. If no evidence exists we can move on and appreciate Alabama and Miller in the NCAAT.

The political climate makes this case a powder keg. Law abiding citizens are growing agitated by the bad faith gun control rhetoric by lawmakers. The pretense for this rhetoric is an increase in gun violence by a certain demographic. These are the facts.

Risky business.


Posted by Prof
Member since Jun 2013
44851 posts
Posted on 2/22/23 at 11:48 pm to
Nothing makes this a powder keg. Nothing. Only a self-serving DA worries about that because they worry about re-election.

Corruption might make it so but the case itself is not explosive.
This post was edited on 2/22/23 at 11:51 pm
Posted by TiderNAL
Member since Nov 2010
7702 posts
Posted on 2/22/23 at 11:50 pm to
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If the DA is caught withholding incriminating evidence against Miller, Alabama will deserve every ounce of public backlash. If no evidence exists we can move on and appreciate Alabama and Miller in the NCAAT.


I agree. But the problem on this message board is that 99% of non-Alabama posters literally believe that law enforcement is willing to cover up criminal involvement in a murder just so a kid can keep playing basketball.
Posted by Elleshoe
Wade’s World
Member since Jun 2004
143684 posts
Posted on 2/22/23 at 11:51 pm to
quote:

I agree. But the problem on this message board is that 99% of non-Alabama posters literally believe that law enforcement is willing to cover up criminal involvement in a murder just so a kid can keep playing basketball.


In that backwards shithole State it’s possible
Posted by Prof
Member since Jun 2013
44851 posts
Posted on 2/22/23 at 11:53 pm to
quote:

I agree. But the problem on this message board is that 99% of non-Alabama posters literally believe that law enforcement is willing to cover up criminal involvement in a murder just so a kid can keep playing basketball.


LEOs aren't in charge of making this type of charge. They don't bring nuance charges in cases like this. The DA is 100 percent a pussy and at fault here. This should've been kicked to a grand jury.

ETA: On the flip side UA is 100 percent self-serving cowards for doing nothing.
This post was edited on 2/22/23 at 11:54 pm
Posted by TiderNAL
Member since Nov 2010
7702 posts
Posted on 2/22/23 at 11:53 pm to
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n that backwards shithole State it’s possible


Lol, ok buddy.
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
61556 posts
Posted on 2/22/23 at 11:55 pm to
quote:

But the problem on this message board is that 99% of non-Alabama posters literally believe that law enforcement is willing to cover up criminal involvement in a murder just so a kid can keep playing basketball


I would say that public figures usually get the benefit of the doubt in cases that aren't necessarily a slam dunk.

Do you disagree?
Posted by Marktastic86
Pismo Beach, CA
Member since Dec 2020
18190 posts
Posted on 2/22/23 at 11:56 pm to
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In that backwards shithole State it’s possible

You're mistaken. This isn't taking place in Louisiana.
Posted by BFANLC
The Beach
Member since Oct 2007
20950 posts
Posted on 2/22/23 at 11:57 pm to
quote:

Fact of the matter is the AD is putting the DA's office in a tight spot.


No it isn't. The DAs office controls this. Law enforcement has not charged Miller after looking into everything. His phone records, video, witness statements. The Ad hasn't released any nonpublic information about this case. I'm not sure how you came to your conclusion that the AD is causing any issues within the DAs office.

Miller's attorneys made a statement presenting Miller's side of the story. Also the judge didn't put a gag order on anything or anyone.
This post was edited on 2/23/23 at 12:04 am
Posted by BFANLC
The Beach
Member since Oct 2007
20950 posts
Posted on 2/23/23 at 12:01 am to
quote:

LEOs aren't in charge of making this type of charge


This isn't true at all. Police gather evidence, talk to witnesses, look at video etc...then they charge a person. A felony case like this would go to the courthouse and the officer would sign a warrant through the magistrate. Literally happens everyday all across America.
This post was edited on 2/23/23 at 12:15 am
Posted by TiderNAL
Member since Nov 2010
7702 posts
Posted on 2/23/23 at 12:02 am to
quote:

I would say that public figures usually get the benefit of the doubt in cases that aren't necessarily a slam dunk. Do you disagree?


I would agree with that, but this isn’t just the investigator or the DA taking Miller’s word for it. There is video evidence from dash cam footage that has proven to be consistent with what Miller has told the investigator thus far.

Listen, if there is more evidence that comes to light that is condemnatory in nature toward Miller then I would willingly admit this was handled poorly. At this point though all we can go off of is what has been reported as fact in this case thus far, and nothing has been revealed that would implicate Miller as having acted with any intent to facilitate the murder.
Posted by Bama3714
Alabama
Member since Feb 2015
5431 posts
Posted on 2/23/23 at 12:03 am to
quote:

I agree. But the problem on this message board is that 99% of non-Alabama posters literally believe that law enforcement is willing to cover up criminal involvement in a murder just so a kid can keep playing basketball.


The VAST VAST majority of people in society today only believe what they want to believe. On any subject. Politics. Religion. Sports and anything associated with it. Whatever the subject. Forget the truth or any objectivity.
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
61556 posts
Posted on 2/23/23 at 12:21 am to
quote:

This isn't true at all. Police gather evidence, talk to witnesses, look at video etc...then they charge a person.

Police do not charge anyone.
Posted by BFANLC
The Beach
Member since Oct 2007
20950 posts
Posted on 2/23/23 at 12:23 am to
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Police do not charge anyone


Police absolutely do charge people, everyday all the time.
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
61556 posts
Posted on 2/23/23 at 12:24 am to
quote:

I would agree with that, but this isn’t just the investigator or the DA taking Miller’s word for it. There is video evidence from dash cam footage that has proven to be consistent with what Miller has told the investigator thus far.



I agree.

There is no definitive evidence (currently) that proves Miller knowingly facilitated a gun that he knew would be used to murder someone thus it's nowhere close to being a slam dunk.

If Miller was some nobody I absolutely believe he would've been charged and they would've sorted it all out later, that sort of thing happens every day.

My opinion is that he got the benefit of the doubt because he was a public figure.
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
58501 posts
Posted on 2/23/23 at 12:24 am to
quote:

Police do not charge anyone.


Wow. With this solid understanding of the law I can tell why everyone listens to your opinions on this matter.
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
61556 posts
Posted on 2/23/23 at 12:26 am to
quote:

Police absolutely do charge people, everyday all the time.






No.

They don't.

quote:

Contrary to what some people think, the police are not who make the decision to charge someone with a crime. Police do wield tremendous investigatory and persuasive power, but the decision of whether or not to officially charge a person with a crime lies with the prosecutor, who will be the local district attorney if you are charged with a state-level crime, or the U.S. District Attorney if you are charged with a federal crime.


The only time the police "file charges" are in a situation like a minor traffic violation which obviously isn't applicable to this case.
This post was edited on 2/23/23 at 12:28 am
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
58501 posts
Posted on 2/23/23 at 12:26 am to
quote:

There is no definitive evidence (currently) that proves Miller knowingly facilitated a gun that he knew would be used to murder someone thus it's nowhere close to being a slam dunk.

If Miller was some nobody I absolutely believe he would've been charged and they would've sorted it all out later, that sort of thing happens every day.

My opinion is that he got the benefit of the doubt because he was a public figure.


Nah, most likely the definitive evidence shows there was no way he could have driven from where he was to the scene in time if he left after the text was sent, which would corroborate everything in his attorney's statement.
This post was edited on 2/23/23 at 12:27 am
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
58501 posts
Posted on 2/23/23 at 12:27 am to
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No.

They don't.


Yes they do. The prosecutor decides whether to pursue the charges.
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
61556 posts
Posted on 2/23/23 at 12:28 am to
quote:

Yes they do. The prosecutor decides whether to pursue the charges.


False.
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