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Posted on 2/14/23 at 12:56 pm to Crowknowsbest
Posted on 2/14/23 at 12:56 pm to Crowknowsbest
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On offense, he also hired James Coley for much the same reasons as he’s hiring Bobo (continuity, recruiting). I don’t expect this will go that poorly, but don’t ask everyone to think this plan is infallible.
Coley was a fricking disaster and a horrendous hire. Chaney was OKAY but topped out at "yeah he's decent". After that we promoted a career loser for as you said mostly recruiting reasons. So I am fully with you in that kirby has made some very shitty hires offensively.
However, hiring monken shows us a total paradigm shift in that regard. Chaney was still an old school guy and we wanted to run the same offense bama ran in 2008/2009 era. Coley, idk wtf to think about his system if one even exists. But going and getting monken shows that kirby was perfectly fine and ready to move away from historical SEC ball that was prevalent even up until a decade ago and shift towards modern new age offenses. Bobo sitting behind and learning for the last year is an added cherry on top bonus in this whole thing. Yes we have history that shows kirby has made some questionable offensive hires, but the most recent hsitory we have shows that he wants a modern explosive offense and its' likely he will instruct bobo to keep to the script
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Posted on 2/14/23 at 1:22 pm to WG_Dawg
For the record, I agree with a lot of the points made in Bobo’s favor and think he will probably do fine. I just think that this is likely the best non-HC job in college football, and it seems unlikely to me that Bobo is the absolute best person to fill it.
Maybe I’m also just nervous about the amount of alums and Kirby’s friends on staff. I know we’re at the top of the mountain now, but we’ll fall back to the pack quickly if we’re not picking up fresh ideas and good people from outside the program.
Maybe I’m also just nervous about the amount of alums and Kirby’s friends on staff. I know we’re at the top of the mountain now, but we’ll fall back to the pack quickly if we’re not picking up fresh ideas and good people from outside the program.
This post was edited on 2/14/23 at 1:25 pm
Posted on 2/14/23 at 1:22 pm to WG_Dawg
I do laugh when people claim "modern" offense this and that.
There are 32 teams in the NFL.
The definition of "modern" in today's NFL is so broad that it is a joke. Really.
The issue with Todd Monken was the complexity of the offensive system. The offense starts and stops with the wide receivers being smart enough to understand the concepts and how to execute against all of the different backends that they will face.
It is not easy to get new QBs and WRs on the same page with that playbook. It took 2+ years for the playbook to really open up (particularly the full implementation of the motions).
And it appears that the playbook is big enough to adapt to personnel (running so much in 12 personnel is not considered being a part of the modern nfl offenses). 13 personnel. 22 personnel.
What we saw was 1/4 of the playbook tailored to pass catching RBs and elite tight end play.
The playbook is prepared for elite X and Z receivers. We will see a lot of differences in 2023. Not because Monken is gone. But because playing to our strengths will look different.
My only question is if we will see the playcall layering like we had with Monken (and our TE/RB heavy offense). Every play had 2 more actions that could be built off it for when opponents make changes. Will a novice (like me) still be able to see the layers in play designs built off of X and Z targets?
There are 32 teams in the NFL.
The definition of "modern" in today's NFL is so broad that it is a joke. Really.
The issue with Todd Monken was the complexity of the offensive system. The offense starts and stops with the wide receivers being smart enough to understand the concepts and how to execute against all of the different backends that they will face.
It is not easy to get new QBs and WRs on the same page with that playbook. It took 2+ years for the playbook to really open up (particularly the full implementation of the motions).
And it appears that the playbook is big enough to adapt to personnel (running so much in 12 personnel is not considered being a part of the modern nfl offenses). 13 personnel. 22 personnel.
What we saw was 1/4 of the playbook tailored to pass catching RBs and elite tight end play.
The playbook is prepared for elite X and Z receivers. We will see a lot of differences in 2023. Not because Monken is gone. But because playing to our strengths will look different.
My only question is if we will see the playcall layering like we had with Monken (and our TE/RB heavy offense). Every play had 2 more actions that could be built off it for when opponents make changes. Will a novice (like me) still be able to see the layers in play designs built off of X and Z targets?
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