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Posted on 11/26/23 at 2:13 am to Partha
Ultimately firing Napier now and hiring Cline or Chadwell I predict will end up with us firing one of them in 3-4 years.
Not that they're bad coaches but our program has been in terrible shape since Mullen's last 2 seasons.
Napier has made effort to improve some things, and I think he's done some good things off- field to help but we're pretty much stuck in neutral in a shitty place. It wasn't Napier's fault that he inherited a program in a bad place but it is on him that we seem to be stuck there. Can't say we got worse but it doesn't seem like we're really getting better either.
Not that they're bad coaches but our program has been in terrible shape since Mullen's last 2 seasons.
Napier has made effort to improve some things, and I think he's done some good things off- field to help but we're pretty much stuck in neutral in a shitty place. It wasn't Napier's fault that he inherited a program in a bad place but it is on him that we seem to be stuck there. Can't say we got worse but it doesn't seem like we're really getting better either.
Posted on 11/26/23 at 2:24 am to dbuchanon
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Lane - he really wants the job bad
Bell - one of ours.
Frost- kick the tires
I like Bell because the ties, but no. We complain about Napier coming from the sun belt, I think Western Carolina is like an fcs team.
Frost, eh he seems like damaged goods. Give me Mullen/Chip Kelly vibes now. Back in 2017 he had promise, but now, I don't know. I wouldn't mind him being on a list for the "if we fire Napier after failing in 2024" category, but I don't think I'd be willing to fire Napier for him in 2023.
Lane was actually my #1 choice to replace Mullen. He has his issues too, so I don't know if I'd fire Napier now just to hire him. But I agree, he's cheap and wants this job bad. I think he'd do pretty well tbh. I think a lot of the bad rep he has is more true about Mullen and Freeze than him tbh:
- Hates recruiting (definitely true about Mullen, I think Lane has recruited well at big programs before)
- Always looking for a new job (definitely true about Mullen, I guess somewhat true about Lane too but he's at Ole frickin Miss so who can blame him)
- Has baggage/dirty cheater (Freeze)
- Can't win big games (Definitely true about Mullen and I guess true to a degree about Lane. He didn't beat Bama or Georgia this year, but not a lot of teams did either , he was able to beat LSU and I think has won games that he shouldn't have won before, but not an elite win against Bama/UGA type programs)
- Loses headscratchers every year (Definitely Mullen and Freeze. Maybe somewhat true about Lane, last year at least that was the case. He does seem to play down to competition at times too, but has seemed to been able to pull away)
Honestly, I was big on Lane because he'd be cheap, wants the job bad, and would produce a fun offense. He can be a bit immature but he's matured a lot and I think could give a boost to the program. He'd be realistic and easy to hire if we wanted him.
Posted on 11/26/23 at 2:27 am to Partha
Thing with Frost, there were some really weird and crazy rumors about him at NE.
Like he had an apartment in Lincoln where he'd smoke a shitload of weed and bang co-eds.
I guess Lane would be liable to do that too but it seems like he can run a football program competently while doing that
Like he had an apartment in Lincoln where he'd smoke a shitload of weed and bang co-eds.
I guess Lane would be liable to do that too but it seems like he can run a football program competently while doing that
Posted on 11/26/23 at 2:38 am to Partha
lol
I’d take Lane at this point
I’d take Lane at this point
Posted on 11/26/23 at 2:18 pm to Partha
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I guess Lane would be liable to do that too but it seems like he can run a football program competently while doing that
Lane dates young, but he has stayed out of the coeds. His current GF is like 25 and an Ole Miss grad, but she graduated before he got here. Plus, he doesn't keep his shite secret. Just go to his instagram page.
Posted on 11/26/23 at 2:30 pm to dbuchanon
Why y'all doing this to yourselves? I get the frustration, but we aren't hiring an HC this year.
The most logical chain of events I've read is that Stricklin would go before Napier, and that probably won't happen until February at the earliest if it were to happen. Stricklin has tied himself to Napier, and Sasse isn't going to circumvent the AD to fire a coach before getting rid of an AD he doesn't trust.
There's no time to do an AD search and have that person ready to go by February 7, and everyone is afraid to rock the recruiting boat by making the program look any less stable than it already does.
Sticklin could get the ax after that, but who knows. My guess is that 2024 is all your favorite coaches and admins from 2023 with their jobs on the line.
The most logical chain of events I've read is that Stricklin would go before Napier, and that probably won't happen until February at the earliest if it were to happen. Stricklin has tied himself to Napier, and Sasse isn't going to circumvent the AD to fire a coach before getting rid of an AD he doesn't trust.
There's no time to do an AD search and have that person ready to go by February 7, and everyone is afraid to rock the recruiting boat by making the program look any less stable than it already does.
Sticklin could get the ax after that, but who knows. My guess is that 2024 is all your favorite coaches and admins from 2023 with their jobs on the line.
Posted on 11/26/23 at 2:30 pm to LuciusSulla
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Plus, he doesn't keep his shite secret.
He doesn't need to, as he's divorced.
Frost is married with children (which I forgot to mention in my post), which made what he was doing so much more scandalous and egregious.
Posted on 11/26/23 at 2:34 pm to LuciusSulla
Should have added - It's not just trusting the AD to pull the trigger when the time comes; it's also trusting him to hire the next guy. If Napier goes, there is no way Sticklin hires the next coach, and Sasse and the rest of the admin aren't going to keep paying an AD who they don't trust with key hires.
Posted on 11/26/23 at 2:39 pm to Partha
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He doesn't need to, as he's divorced.
Weirdly enough, his Layla either moved here or bought a second home here. Their daughter is in school at Ole Miss. Monte Kiffin lives here too.
Posted on 11/26/23 at 6:28 pm to Partha
Napier has been terrible so far and can't even master basic game mgmt.
Posted on 11/26/23 at 8:29 pm to Gator Fever
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Napier has been terrible so far
I can't disagree for the most part.
At least he worked with the boosters to get our NIL in order and has us in the recruiting mix of the NIL landscape.
Before that, we literally had nothing good happening with this program on or off the field.
Now, we need to start doing well on the field. I don't have lots of faith that Napier will be the guy to do that though.
Posted on 11/27/23 at 8:05 am to LuciusSulla
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Why y'all doing this to yourselves? I get the frustration, but we aren't hiring an HC this year
I agree with this completely but if Napier doesn't make the changes necessary in the off season and show improvement in 2024, Stricklin needs to be fired and Napier right behind him. Stricklin can't be trusted to hire the next head coach.
Posted on 11/27/23 at 9:27 am to UFMatt
I'm curious to see if Stricklin makes it to summer as AD. I just don't see moving on from Billy if it means Stricklin is hiring yet another coach. Once you get into fall, the window to get a new AD to hire a new coach gets smaller and smaller.
I suppose it's possible the other powers that be in the UAA and Sasse could have someone picked, a lá Manchen and Meyer (depending on the version of that story you believe), but I think that is a less likely scenario.
I've heard everything from Sasse and Stricklin having developed a solid relationship to Sasse being the ultimate pragmatist who isn't afraid to prune any branch once it quits being productive, which leads me to be pretty agnostic on what Sasse may or may not do over the spring.
I don't have a problem with a third year. We're post-Kiffin Tennessee at the moment, and I've accepted it. There are no slam dunks out there to hire, unless you seriously believe all coaches care about is who can pay the most, and even then, seems like most "slam dunks" don't end up that way. Lincoln Riley and Brian Kelly have put together better seasons that we have, but they haven't won anything. It's yet to be determined if they will. Harbaugh seems like a slam dunk now, but he sure as hell didn't two years ago, after losing to Ohio State five times in a row.
So I'm fine keeping it as is for now, but if there isn't some remarkable improvement next year, damn the torpedos and blow it up from the AD down. I also don't give a damn about the schedule. Two of those teams next year have new head coaches. It's about damn time he finally beat Brian Kelly, and I can't abide losing to UCF and Miami in the same season.
A .500 season is the absolute minimum, and honestly, it needs to be more like seven or eight. I see two teams on that schedule who should be flat out better than us next year. After three years, we should be in every other fricking game on that schedule. We should look better at the end of the year than the beginning. We should look like we can actually make adjustments at the half and keep playing a whole four quarters of football.
If that ain't happening next year, it ain't ever happening with this staff.
I suppose it's possible the other powers that be in the UAA and Sasse could have someone picked, a lá Manchen and Meyer (depending on the version of that story you believe), but I think that is a less likely scenario.
I've heard everything from Sasse and Stricklin having developed a solid relationship to Sasse being the ultimate pragmatist who isn't afraid to prune any branch once it quits being productive, which leads me to be pretty agnostic on what Sasse may or may not do over the spring.
I don't have a problem with a third year. We're post-Kiffin Tennessee at the moment, and I've accepted it. There are no slam dunks out there to hire, unless you seriously believe all coaches care about is who can pay the most, and even then, seems like most "slam dunks" don't end up that way. Lincoln Riley and Brian Kelly have put together better seasons that we have, but they haven't won anything. It's yet to be determined if they will. Harbaugh seems like a slam dunk now, but he sure as hell didn't two years ago, after losing to Ohio State five times in a row.
So I'm fine keeping it as is for now, but if there isn't some remarkable improvement next year, damn the torpedos and blow it up from the AD down. I also don't give a damn about the schedule. Two of those teams next year have new head coaches. It's about damn time he finally beat Brian Kelly, and I can't abide losing to UCF and Miami in the same season.
A .500 season is the absolute minimum, and honestly, it needs to be more like seven or eight. I see two teams on that schedule who should be flat out better than us next year. After three years, we should be in every other fricking game on that schedule. We should look better at the end of the year than the beginning. We should look like we can actually make adjustments at the half and keep playing a whole four quarters of football.
If that ain't happening next year, it ain't ever happening with this staff.
Posted on 11/27/23 at 10:48 am to LuciusSulla
I agree with all of what you said. If Billy is truly the CEO he should be ala Sabin then he needs to part ways with the dough boy and get a splash of a OC that he’ll turn the reigns over to. Somebody from the pros maybe.
Posted on 11/27/23 at 11:49 am to LuciusSulla
I can't stand Sasse for other reasons but he does come off as someone who would rather not let things linger. My guess is if Billy doesn't make it him and the AD would be canned after the 5th loss in 2024.
Posted on 11/27/23 at 12:25 pm to Partha
Season is over.
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