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re: Would The Board (Here not on campus) Be Happy With Kiffin?

Posted on 11/22/22 at 6:09 pm to
Posted by metafour
Member since Feb 2007
4457 posts
Posted on 11/22/22 at 6:09 pm to
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But he's just the other side of a Will Muschamp coin. Both will get you good players for their side of the ball, and coach them up, but the otherside will fail miserably. The next time a Kiffin team has a good defense, will be the first time.



Do some of you even look at the stats?

Ole Miss is currently 6th best in the SEC (out of 14 teams) in Defensive PPG at 24.2. This is actually in the upper-half of this conference (above average).
They were 8th best last season at 25.0 PPG (average).

At FAU, their defense was as follows:

2017: 4th best (out of 14 teams) at 24.2 PPG.
2018: 11th best at 31.8 PPG.
2019: 3rd best at 22.3 PPG.

There is literally zero basis for the supposed notion that he doesn't care about defense or that he has some kryptonite weakness to defense. His defense at Ole Miss has empirically improved year over year, and I dare any of you to look at where Ole Miss ranked defensively from 2017-2019 before he arrived there. Hint - it was at the very bottom of the conference. So in actuality, he has IMPROVED their defense in the short time he has been there. On top of improving every other part of their program.

Defense, more so than offense, is dictated by TALENT. On offense you can run schemes and draw-up plays that allow lesser talented players to score. When you play defense, there is no magical scheme you can run that will make OK players look amazing. That is why Georgia and Alabama will always rank #1 and #2 in defense, until someone else can start fielding comparable talent. Ole Miss is Ole Miss and that is why he would be leaving to come here in the first place.

This is one of those idiotic statements that are made as fact, that aren't actually backed by anything. Fun fact, his 2009 Tennessee team had the 6th best defense in the SEC (22.2 PPG). Who actually wants to believe that a guy who's father was a legendary DC supposedly doesn't care about defense?

The other stupid non-fact is the story around him and 4th downs. Ole Miss is tied for a whopping 37th nationally in 4th Down Attempts this season at 24. And yet any time this topic is brought up, it's sold as if they don't punt or kick field goals. Last season they were 1st in the country at 49 attempts, but they also converted 63.27% of those. So as we can see, the "analytics" shift.
Posted by metafour
Member since Feb 2007
4457 posts
Posted on 11/22/22 at 6:23 pm to
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Kiffin goes to Arky, and get skull drug up and down the field. Hugh Freeze goes into Fayetteville with his 3rd string QB, and knocks them off.


Dear god.

Kiffin is checked out, man. This Auburn thing didn't start yesterday. Ole Miss mods have now confirmed that he interviewed with Auburn at least last week. I can tell you that he has been in contact with Auburn for weeks now.

He looked like a guy who was on his way out against Arkansas. And actually, that game against Alabama really kick started this entire negotiation with us into overdrive.

Is that an excuse? Not really, but at least paint the situation properly if you're trying to make some sort of comparison. The guy has one foot out the door, but yes, please try to make some sort of point as if he's probably not already trying to plan his staff at Auburn while "preparing" for Arkansas lol.

Also, you literally saw the exact opposite happen with Freeze. Dude upsets Arkansas and looks all giddy thinking he's probably on his way to Auburn. Then he immediately gets upset twice. Gee, you think maybe he got a little bit distracted?
Posted by greygoose
Member since Aug 2013
14386 posts
Posted on 11/22/22 at 7:30 pm to
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He looked like a guy who was on his way out against Arkansas. And actually, that game against Alabama really kick started this entire negotiation with us into overdrive.
Well that's a great endorsement for hiring a guy who is currently one of the highest paid coaches in the country. Losses to Alabama, so he mails it in against Arky? He just got an extension! You'd think an honorable person would do the best they could for an employer that has done all that can to make him successful. But then again, he has a huge reputation as a flake, and that does nothing to dispel that notion.

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Also, you literally saw the exact opposite happen with Freeze. Dude upsets Arkansas and looks all giddy thinking he's probably on his way to Auburn. Then he immediately gets upset twice. Gee, you think maybe he got a little bit distracted?

Freeze is at Liberty.....Liberty. They aren't exactly pulling the cream of crop as players go. Sooner or later, a team like that can only go so far, talent-wise. Especially considering the kid playing QB wasn't even supposed to sniff the field this year. Liberty just became a full FBS member in 2019. If you don't think what Freeze has done this is nothing short of miraculous, then I don't know what else it would take. Keep in mind his 3 losses where a combined 5 points. He could easily be undefeated right now. No way you can say that about Kiffen.
Posted by FearlessFreep
Baja Alabama
Member since Nov 2009
19591 posts
Posted on 11/22/22 at 8:10 pm to
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Keep in mind his 3 losses where a combined 5 points
the last two of which were at the hands of teams who are a combined 5-15 against FBS teams not named Liberty
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He could easily be undefeated right now
if he didn’t keep blowing games against shitty teams
Posted by greygoose
Member since Aug 2013
14386 posts
Posted on 11/22/22 at 8:27 pm to
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Ole Miss is currently 6th best in the SEC (out of 14 teams) in Defensive PPG at 24.2.
Context. Go look at their schedule and the results. If OM is 6th best in PPG, that immediatley tells me the SEC is very down this year.

After a closer look, their first 3 games really got that average down. Troy, Central Arkansas, and GT. Then the Kiffin defense we all know and love, showed it's true self. They gave up 28 points and almost 500 yards to TAM. Hell, we put up 34 points on them AND we had 3 turnovers! That's two of the worst offensive teams in the SEC. I won't even go into their losses. Holy Hell! If you want your running backs to have a good day, schedule a Kiffin-led team.
Posted by greygoose
Member since Aug 2013
14386 posts
Posted on 11/22/22 at 8:29 pm to
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if he didn’t keep blowing games against shitty teams


Like Arkansas?
Posted by Hussss
Helena, AL
Member since Oct 2016
7777 posts
Posted on 11/22/22 at 8:36 pm to
Goose,

Serious question: Do you sleep all day or get on your PlayStation and Xbox all day?
Posted by jangalang
Member since Dec 2014
50769 posts
Posted on 11/22/22 at 8:50 pm to
TJ Finley, Harsin, BOB, Bill Clark, and Freeze

The list of inferior men goose would deep throat in a heartbeat.


Unfortunately for me and the next poor soul that’s trying that list can only grow.


Goose, are you going to follow Finley to SELA? Yes please.
Posted by Hussss
Helena, AL
Member since Oct 2016
7777 posts
Posted on 11/22/22 at 8:58 pm to
Joker crawls out of his cave like clockwork with the same ole stale takes
Posted by greygoose
Member since Aug 2013
14386 posts
Posted on 11/22/22 at 9:00 pm to
Hussy and Dang sho is mad! Now Dang is projecting his band camp experiences toward me. Sad and funny at the same time. Hussy you might want to get your doc to double your testosterone dosage. You read like a woman. Need a midol?
Posted by jangalang
Member since Dec 2014
50769 posts
Posted on 11/22/22 at 9:06 pm to
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Now Dang is projecting his band camp experiences toward me.
All I did was list all of your takes that you allowed to become insufferable. Pull out a dictionary before you start using fancy words.


Your band camp fanboy stuff tells me you are an experienced meat flute 1st chair.
Posted by greygoose
Member since Aug 2013
14386 posts
Posted on 11/22/22 at 9:07 pm to
"Oh no! Somebody disagrees with my choice of HC. Now my fat vagina aches. I must hurl insults to take my mind off of their salient points, and deflect."-Hussy & Dang
Posted by greygoose
Member since Aug 2013
14386 posts
Posted on 11/22/22 at 9:08 pm to
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All I did was list all of your takes that you allowed to become insufferable. Pull out a dictionary before you start using fancy words.


Your band camp fanboy stuff tells me you are an experienced meat flute 1st chair.

How long did it take to remove the Prime poster from over your bed, and replace it with some Freshwater?
Posted by TheJones
Member since Nov 2009
34510 posts
Posted on 11/22/22 at 9:08 pm to
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experienced meat flute 1st chair.


Wife material
Posted by jangalang
Member since Dec 2014
50769 posts
Posted on 11/22/22 at 9:09 pm to
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Oh no! Somebody disagrees with my choice of HC. Now my fat vagina aches. I must hurl insults to take my mind off of their salient points, and deflect."-Hussy & Dang

You nailed it here buddy: first chair at the meat flute [confirmed]
Posted by jangalang
Member since Dec 2014
50769 posts
Posted on 11/22/22 at 9:10 pm to
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Wife material

So freaky
Posted by greygoose
Member since Aug 2013
14386 posts
Posted on 11/22/22 at 9:11 pm to
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You nailed it here buddy: first chair at the meat flute [confirmed]


I'm not your buddy, friend.
Posted by jangalang
Member since Dec 2014
50769 posts
Posted on 11/22/22 at 9:13 pm to
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How long did it take to remove the Prime poster from over your bed, and replace it with some Freshwater?

It took a JGT post to say he wasn’t a real candidate and I moved on.


Yet, despite Freeze being a shite candidate with an outside chance getting the job your whining has only escalated.
Posted by TheJones
Member since Nov 2009
34510 posts
Posted on 11/22/22 at 9:29 pm to
Janga doing the lord’s work, keeping the riffraff off the main thread
Posted by jangalang
Member since Dec 2014
50769 posts
Posted on 11/22/22 at 9:29 pm to
We had 32 posts of support to 0 downvotes at one point showing strength in numbers. I know you think you are smarter than all 32 but that’s not correct, because you’re not me ( kidding )


It’s time to give Kiffin a shot or go elsewhere. Possibly, SELA


As for Freeze,

This post was edited on 11/22/22 at 9:31 pm
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