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Posted on 2/1/18 at 1:51 pm to
Posted by GenesChin
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Posted on 2/1/18 at 1:51 pm to
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I also think the chances of Wiley coming back are higher than Purifoy.


I believe the opposite, assuming Purifoy gets the same eligibility decision that Wiley gets

Purifoy has been very hesitant about going overseas. There is a reason why he is still here despite lagging behind Wiley in the process
Posted by TigerProwl24
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Posted on 2/1/18 at 2:04 pm to
I agree, assuming the same ruling..
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assuming Purifoy gets the same eligibility decision that Wiley gets 

I don't want to go into the reasons or details as to why, but I don't think Purifoy will get the same decision as Wiley did. In which case, he'll either transfer or play overseas to get paid, imo. That is why i think Wiley is more likely to return, regardless of the draft decision looming.
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Purifoy has been very hesitant about going overseas
Because once he does that, he loses his amateur status and his collegiate eligibility ends. No going back. He was most likely counseled to wait..
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There is a reason why he is still here despite lagging behind Wiley in the process
I think there is a reason why he has lagged behind Wiley in the process
This post was edited on 2/1/18 at 2:38 pm
Posted by GenesChin
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Posted on 2/1/18 at 2:58 pm to
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I don't think Purifoy will get the same decision as Wiley did.


I assume you say this on gut feeling, because NCAA rules and current stances don't support this



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Because once he does that, he loses his amateur status and his collegiate eligibility ends. No going back. He was most likely counseled to wait..


If he is unlikely to regain eligibility, who in their right mind would be counseling him to stay?
This post was edited on 2/1/18 at 2:59 pm
Posted by auzach91
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Posted on 2/1/18 at 8:13 pm to
Temple just beat Wichita st
Posted by jsmoove
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Posted on 2/1/18 at 8:19 pm to
Yep. Big one. Hopefully MTSU can beat Old Dominion.
Posted by TigerProwl24
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Posted on 2/2/18 at 1:42 am to
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I assume you say this on gut feeling, because NCAA rules and current stances don't support this 
Well, we all know how clear, fair and balanced the NCAA and their rules are... Why do you say that? It is two separate cases, is it not? Why didn't they clear Purifoy when they cleared Wiley, if they both were the same case? I understand precedent but not when one case might be more egregious than the other.. Please enlighten me on the NCAA and stances, i may be missing something.
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If he is unlikely to regain eligibility, who in their right mind would be counseling him to stay?

Depends on how unlikely.. the staff obviously thought there was at least a decent chance. Decent and unlikely is not the same as zero and we're talking about a young man's future, possible way of life/living/income. Don't forget the timing of this, just weeks before the season started. It's a process that takes time and he was probably counseled to be patient, be with his teammates, go to class and wait and see what transpires, in order to make the proper decision moving forward..
I could seriously go on and on about all things this topic but Person fricked those kids life up in the short term and has put BP directly in the crosshairs. The FBI viewed us as the swindled, but the fact money exchanged hands brings the NCAA into the conversation, which Purifoy was present on at least one occasion.

This post was edited on 2/2/18 at 2:17 am
Posted by GenesChin
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Posted on 2/2/18 at 6:15 am to
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Why didn't they clear Purifoy when they cleared Wiley


Auburn didn't send in paper work. As I said, Austin Wiley was the trial case

Cases to set precedent are an extremely common legal move

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money exchanged hands brings the NCAA into the conversation, which Purifoy was present on at least one occasion.


NCAA's rule change after Cecil Newton makes this point irrelevant.

Just because their rules say that, AU likely wants a clear precedent from Wiley first so they have a baseline max to point to
This post was edited on 2/2/18 at 6:17 am
Posted by PearlJam
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Posted on 2/2/18 at 8:17 am to
So, a resolution has been reached in Wiley's appeal according to Pearl, but no info on what that resolution is it when it will be made public?

I just read that this morning. Am I caught up, or have I missed more on that situation?
Posted by HailToTheChiz
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Posted on 2/2/18 at 8:24 am to
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So, a resolution has been reached in Wiley's appeal according to Pearl, but no info on what that resolution is it when it will be made public?

I just read that this morning. Am I caught up, or have I missed more on that situation?


where did you read this?
Posted by GenesChin
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Posted on 2/2/18 at 8:34 am to
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So, a resolution has been reached in Wiley's appeal according to Pearl, but no info on what that resolution is it when it will be made public?


No, the original case has a decision is pending appeals. I don't expect any paperwork to be submitted on Purifoy until Wiley's appeal process is decided

Posted by PearlJam
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Posted on 2/2/18 at 8:35 am to
It was a snippet from an al.com article I read this morning. No detail other than Pearl said a resolution has been reached.

I assume the resolution is, the NCAA denied the appeal, or we would have heard about it.

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Last month, the NCAA ruled that Wiley is ineligible for the entire season but could return for the 2018-19 campaign, and head coach Bruce Pearl indicated Thursday that a "resolution" has been reached in Wiley's appeal to the NCAA but said it wasn't his place to comment on the matter.
This post was edited on 2/2/18 at 8:38 am
Posted by HailToTheChiz
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Posted on 2/2/18 at 8:39 am to
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Bruce Pearl indicated Thursday that a "resolution" has been reached in Wiley's appeal to the NCAA but said it wasn't his place to comment on the matter.


That doesn't jive with the process

Not saying I dont believe him, just that why would we cut a deal mid appeal? And if the appeal has been ruled on, why is it not made public?
Posted by PearlJam
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Posted on 2/2/18 at 8:41 am to
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Not saying I dont believe him, just that why would we cut a deal mid appeal?
Maybe the NCAA clarified he was suspended for the regular season only and he can play in the post season?

This post was edited on 2/2/18 at 8:41 am
Posted by PearlJam
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Posted on 2/2/18 at 8:43 am to
What I don't get, is how a comment like that gets buried in an article and there is no follow up or push by journalists to get the answer.

Just think if this were football and this was about a suspended key 5 star player.

The Alabama media does an awful job of covering basketball.
Posted by GenesChin
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Posted on 2/2/18 at 11:48 am to
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if the appeal has been ruled on, why is it not made public?


There is a lot of back-channel negotiations between schools and the NCAA. Put it this way, there is a reason why Cam Newton was declared ineligible by AU and immediately cleared on reinstatement by NCAA 2 days later


AU/NCAA negotiate the outcome of this appeal before it officially is made.


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Not saying I dont believe him, just that why would we cut a deal mid appeal? And


Why do people take plea deals? Same basic principle, you back channel negotiate a guaranteed settlement rather than leave it to chance

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What I don't get, is how a comment like that gets buried in an article and there is no follow up or push by journalists to get the answer.


When Bruce says "wasn't his place to comment on the matter"

Read that as "don't ask more questions about this."
This post was edited on 2/2/18 at 11:54 am
Posted by PearlJam
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Posted on 2/2/18 at 2:36 pm to
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When Bruce says "wasn't his place to comment on the matter"

Read that as "don't ask more questions about this."
Sure, but reporters used to dig, develop sources and report news. If they couldn't get the goods, they usually at least let the reader know, we reached out for comment from: NCAA, Wiley, Leath, Greene, or sources at the NCAA, etc.

Again, if this is a football recruit, I think all of those things would be done.
This post was edited on 2/2/18 at 2:38 pm
Posted by GenesChin
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Posted on 2/2/18 at 3:04 pm to
I'd guess it is because every reporter understands that if a backroom "resolution" has been made and not announced, bringing it to light kills the deal.

You'd be reporting on something that you have no proof of existing.


As for sources etc, the Auburn AD has become extremely inaccessible in recent years. Not only would finding this info be near impossible, reporting on it would basically be signing your resignation



Posted by TigerProwl24
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Posted on 2/3/18 at 12:02 am to
I feel like Charlie from It's Always Sunny..


Thanks for the declaration.
This post was edited on 2/3/18 at 12:03 am
Posted by BowlJackson
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Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 2/3/18 at 12:35 am to
Anybody else getting worried about tomorrow night?

AU is first in the SEC, Vandy is last.
AU is 11-0 at home, Vandy 0-7 in true road games.

Losing this game would be an Auburn as frick thing to do.
Posted by TigerProwl24
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Posted on 2/3/18 at 1:52 am to
No. We ballin.. just listen to Logic.

Logic
This post was edited on 2/3/18 at 1:58 am
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