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Posted on 2/23/22 at 7:58 pm to Skyler97
Posted on 2/23/22 at 7:58 pm to Skyler97
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Lol one play does not make you a consistent contributor for the season that’s just silly. Ricardo Louis has one of the biggest plays in Auburn History, does that automatically mean he was dominant in 2013?
And also your literally using like 4 guys drafted over the course of like 8 years to make your point. I’m very very positive if we looked at every receiver drafted in the past decade most had significant improved from their freshman to their junior/senior years. In fact let’s look at the top receivers in this coming draft class and compare their freshman catches to the past year:
Garrett Wilson - 30 catches -> 70 catches
Chris Olave - 12 catches -> 65 catches
Drake London -> 39 catches -> 88 catches
Jameson Williams - 6 catches -> 79 catches
Treylon Burks - 29 catches -> 66 catches
Guess what? We don’t need guys like Julio Jones. Yea they are nice but there literally like one per recruiting class and Alabama has the best recruiter of all time so of course they end up with them. You are literally trying to make a case by using maybe the best school of the decade at churning out receivers, as if we need to be at that level in order to compete
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LSU entirely switched their offense. That’s an easy one. Any of those guys would’ve gone off in the 2019 offense.
Justin Jefferson went from 0 catches in 2017 to 54 in 2018, not sure what 2019 has to do with that level of development, from literally not making a SINGLE catch.
That’s called improving from experience and being in a college strength and conditioning program for 2-3 years. It’s not from a coach yelling at you how to run a slant route or to keep your hands inside while stalk blocking a cornerback.
It’s blows my mind that this board tries to convince themselves of position coaches having some major impact on anything outside of recruiting. All of these coaches are teaching the same things more or less.
It’s like that trash offensive line coach recruiter we had for the last few years under gus that the bunker tried to call a “tactician” to make up for his shortcomings recruiting. Our o-lines continued to be horrendous because we couldn’t land enough of the elite players.
Can you give specific examples that a wide receiver coach can teach that makes them superior to other wide receiver coaches? I’m seriously smiling because the thought of it is absurd. If there was some big secret everyone would know about it and teach it.
This post was edited on 2/23/22 at 8:04 pm
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Posted on 2/23/22 at 7:59 pm to jangalang
That play is sick as hell
Posted on 2/23/22 at 7:59 pm to jangalang
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Just like a lot of you are wrong to say look at the drops the WR coach probably needs to be fired.
What if they’re lined up facing the wrong direction? Can we fire them for that?
Posted on 2/23/22 at 8:02 pm to Stidham8
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It’s like that trash offensive line coach recruiter we had for the last few years under gus that the bunker tried to call a “tactician” to make up for his shortcomings recruiting. Our o-lines continued to be horrendous because we couldn’t enough of the elite players.
Yeah man. It’s all recruiting. Justin Jefferson is a strange story being the number 308 ranked WR HS and I hope we don’t feel compelled to seek him or the Cooper Kupp under the radar types.
Posted on 2/23/22 at 8:02 pm to Stidham8
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Alabama has pumped out numerous first/second round WRs in the last 15 years and it has nothing to do with the 5-6 different WR coaches they had in that timeframe. That’s laughable to even try to imply that has anything to do with it. They were all elite recruits higher ranked than anything Auburn has gotten. Simple as that. How many does Auburn have in that timeframe? I can’t name one.
The Alabama Wide receiver coach position has been one of the single most lucrative coaching roles of the past decade in terms of progressing your career, since 2010, here are their receiver coaches:
Mike Groh - Went on to be an NFL receiver coach, passing game coordinator, and offensive coordinator. No recruiting in the NFL so I guess he must have known what he was doing.
Billy Napier - went on to be a college offensive coordinator and very successful head coach at Louisiana. Just name head coach at Florida. Seems to be pretty good.
Mike Locklsey - became offensive coordinator and then a head coach at Maryland
Josh Gattis - became an offensive coordinator at Michigan and now Miami
Holman Wiggins - still there
I have a shocking thought for you: maybe nick saban is the GOAT and hires good staff?
Like you understand that they have constant turnover at every coaching position and still win everything and churn out nfl draft picks at every single position. Do you not think that OL need coaching? Because guess what Alabama puts those guys into the league better than almost everyone despite have new OL coaches all the time as well.
Posted on 2/23/22 at 8:04 pm to Stidham8
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Can you give specific examples that a wide receiver coach can teach that makes them superior to other wide receiver coaches? I’m seriously smiling because the thought of it is absurd. If there was some big secret, everyone would know about it and teach it.
And I’m smiling at the idea that NFL teams employ wide receiver coaches just for the hell of it since apparently they don’t know anything
Posted on 2/23/22 at 8:04 pm to AU_251
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That play is sick as hell
It really was. And in the Sugar Bowl nonetheless. He torched Auburn really bad too.
Posted on 2/23/22 at 8:04 pm to Skyler97
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Because guess what Alabama puts those guys into the league better than almost everyone despite have new OL coaches all the time as well.
Because they land elite 5 star and 4 star offensive lineman. Higher than anything Auburn lands.
Not because of some secret coaching technique that they are hiding from Auburn.
Posted on 2/23/22 at 8:04 pm to TheJones
Look who you are arguing with
Posted on 2/23/22 at 8:05 pm to Stidham8
You could argue that coaches only make players worse
Posted on 2/23/22 at 8:07 pm to TheJones
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What if they’re lined up facing the wrong direction? Can we fire them for that?
Yeah probably.
Posted on 2/23/22 at 8:07 pm to AU_251
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Look who you are arguing with
Janga is my boy, we just disagree on some things from time to time.
The Stidham guy is just comic relief at this point
This thread became way more fun than I thought it wouldPosted on 2/23/22 at 8:07 pm to Skyler97
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And I’m smiling at the idea that NFL teams employ wide receiver coaches just for the hell of it since apparently they don’t know anything
That’s not what I’m saying. I’m saying that they all coach the same thing.
This board tries to make it out that some coaches train their WRs like United States Navy Seals and others go about it like the French army. It’s hilarious.
Posted on 2/23/22 at 8:10 pm to Skyler97
In defense of Stidham’s belief that most/all position coaches are teaching the same thing — a lot of players talk about learning things from other players. And a lot of guys in recruiting want to go into the best position rooms.
This post was edited on 2/23/22 at 8:12 pm
Posted on 2/23/22 at 8:11 pm to Stidham8
This whole thing reminds me off how Greg Popovich is regarded as a “great” NBA coach. He was “great” when he had David Robinson, Tim Duncan, Kawhi Leonard, Tony Parker, and Manu Ginobili. But now he’s an afterthought for the 7-8 years that those guys have been gone and has a losing record in the NBA since then.
He can’t win anymore because the elite players are gone. Not because he forgot how to coach basketball.
He can’t win anymore because the elite players are gone. Not because he forgot how to coach basketball.
This post was edited on 2/23/22 at 8:15 pm
Posted on 2/23/22 at 8:11 pm to Stidham8
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That’s not what I’m saying. I’m saying that they all coach the same thing
So you believe that essentially there is no difference in quality of coaching amongst basically power 5 and NFL receiver coach in America (excluding recruiting)?
Posted on 2/23/22 at 8:12 pm to TheJones
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Janga is my boy, we just disagree on some things from time to time.
I was fine leaving this discussion alone until an OG that remembers the Sean white discussions wanted to opine on this worn out discussion. I can rekindle those dark days too.
Posted on 2/23/22 at 8:13 pm to TheJones
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In defense of Stidham’s belief that most/all position coaches are teaching the same thing — a lot of players talk about learning things from other players. And a lot of guys in recruiting want to go into the best position rooms.
Yes that’s true and there are definitely things outside of the coach that help players develop, I’m not trying to say that coaches do everything but this whole discussion has jumped the shark anyways
Posted on 2/23/22 at 8:14 pm to Skyler97
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So you believe that essentially there is no difference in quality of coaching amongst basically power 5 and NFL receiver coach in America (excluding recruiting)?
If you took any of Alabama’s WR coaches from the past 15 years to coach our WRs there wouldn’t be a noticeable difference in stats or on field play. You and I both know that, whether or not you admit it.
Posted on 2/23/22 at 8:14 pm to jangalang
I don’t remember being involved in many Sean White discussions (aside from the infamous height discussion). I thought he was an alright QB and I was pretty apathetic about those specific teams
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