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Posted on 2/23/22 at 6:38 pm to
Posted by jangalang
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Posted on 2/23/22 at 6:38 pm to
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We can’t recognize that we need both good players and good coaching.

I literally just said it requires technique and skill. The scheming is less complicated for receivers. They require technique, sure, but our problem was skill.

We were asking our receivers to make contested catches. if not because QBs poorly threw the ball it was because the WRs couldn’t get open.
This post was edited on 2/23/22 at 7:25 pm
Posted by jangalang
Member since Dec 2014
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Posted on 2/23/22 at 6:43 pm to
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After a season-high six drops against Georgia, Auburn leads the SEC with 22, according to Pro Football Focus. The league’s second-worst team in that department, Mississippi State, has 15, and the Bulldogs have 67 more pass attempts on the season than Auburn.

Auburn has already surpassed its drop total from all of last season (19), and is on pace to more than double it.

Technique problem or skill problem? Probably more skill considering we lost Schwartz, Seth, and Eli.

Posted by TheJones
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Posted on 2/23/22 at 6:48 pm to
I agree with all that. Haven’t really had any issues with your posts just thought we were using the message boards to discuss shite
Posted by jangalang
Member since Dec 2014
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Posted on 2/23/22 at 7:07 pm to
We can discuss shite. Half the people here wanted to murder our receivers when Sean White was here and that anger magically disappeared once Stidham and Slayton arrived. Sometimes drops is a QB problem. I remember a 4th down play in the bowl game when Finley fired a bullet at Kobe’s (helmet) on a quick slant but that was a tough catch too.


Ain’t a single hero here wants to discuss we only have 6 scholarship WRs. I’ll remind you of that. Dawson didn’t even have a catch last year. Hilliard was an incredible athlete and he will be rewarded if he recruits players that make him and the QB look good.
Posted by TheJones
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Posted on 2/23/22 at 7:11 pm to
I agree but it’s 8 guys, right?

Receiver (8) - Jackson, Johnson Jr., Capers, Evans, Dawson, Fair, Kelly, Brown


Not saying that we’ve got treasure trove or anything
Posted by auburn22
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Posted on 2/23/22 at 7:21 pm to
King will be a WR
Posted by jangalang
Member since Dec 2014
50769 posts
Posted on 2/23/22 at 7:21 pm to
Yeah I guess 8 but we will only have 6 at spring practice and I can’t think of the first catch for either JJ Evans or Dawson. Fair and the other two are only TF.
Posted by Skyler97
Member since Mar 2014
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Posted on 2/23/22 at 7:26 pm to
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Amari Cooper, Julio Jones, Devonta Smith, Henry Ruggs, Calvin Ridley, etc. all didn’t have monster freshman seasons at Alabama after learning some sort of coaching tricks over the one month of fall camp.


Ah yes, devonte Smith and his legendary 8 catch freshmen year was truly a monstrous effort.

What about Jammar Chases mediocre freshmen year? Justin Jefferson had 0 catches as a freshman?

Nobody has said that talent didn’t matter. That is an argument you have made up yourself for some reason. However if you can’t acknowledge that there is a middle ground where some guys are freak athletes that are naturally awesome receivers but some guys do improve significantly with coaching then I have no idea what to tell you. This board has gone full hyperbole mode and I’m guessing it’s not gonna stop until the end of the season.

Posted by jangalang
Member since Dec 2014
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Posted on 2/23/22 at 7:33 pm to
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Justin Jefferson had 0 catches as a freshman?

This cat was rated the 308th ranked WR (not player) in his HS senior year. If we hire whoever turned him into a pro bowler then I’ll give development coaches a chance.
This post was edited on 2/23/22 at 7:34 pm
Posted by Stidham8
Member since Aug 2018
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Posted on 2/23/22 at 7:33 pm to
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Ah yes, devonte Smith and his legendary 8 catch freshmen year was truly a monstrous effort.


He has the biggest play in Alabama football history as a true freshman. What about Amari, Julio, Ridley, etc.? Explain how they became legendary freshmen WRs (all with different WR coaches, I believe) with a month of fall camp coaching.

LSU entirely switched their offense. That’s an easy one. Any of those guys would’ve gone off in the 2019 offense.




Posted by TheJones
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 2/23/22 at 7:41 pm to
Out of hundreds or more wideouts between Julio Jones and Smith we’re acknowledging that a very, very small fraction come into the SEC (and college in general) lighting it up without needing a lot of coaching. That’s true.

Also true — That’s more of an exception than a rule. You still want those guys obviously but you also need guys to develop.

Look at that. Multiple true things
Posted by jangalang
Member since Dec 2014
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Posted on 2/23/22 at 7:42 pm to
Jamarr was a pure athlete. Number 15 ranked receiver out of HS and Les didn’t even want him at WR.

I can’t remember the last time we got the 15th ranked WR.
Posted by Stidham8
Member since Aug 2018
9583 posts
Posted on 2/23/22 at 7:45 pm to
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Out of hundreds or more wideouts between Julio Jones and Smith we’re acknowledging that a very, very small fraction come into the SEC (and college in general) lighting it up without needing a lot of coaching. That’s true.

Also true — That’s more of an exception than a rule. You still want those guys obviously but you also need guys to develop.

Look at that. Multiple true things




Alabama has pumped out numerous first/second round WRs in the last 15 years and it has nothing to do with the 5-6 different WR coaches they had in that timeframe. That’s laughable to even try to imply that has anything to do with it. They were all elite recruits higher ranked than anything Auburn has gotten. Simple as that.

How many does Auburn have in that timeframe? I can’t name one.

This post was edited on 2/23/22 at 7:48 pm
Posted by AubieinNC2009
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Member since Dec 2018
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Posted on 2/23/22 at 7:49 pm to
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I can’t remember the last time we got the 15th ranked WR.


Nate Craig-Myers was ranked 6th
Kyle Davis was ranked 10th
Posted by Skyler97
Member since Mar 2014
4550 posts
Posted on 2/23/22 at 7:51 pm to
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He has the biggest play in Alabama football history as a true freshman. What about Amari, Julio, Ridley, etc.? Explain how they became legendary freshmen WRs (all with different WR coaches, I believe) with a month of fall camp coaching.


Lol one play does not make you a consistent contributor for the season that’s just silly. Ricardo Louis has one of the biggest plays in Auburn History, does that automatically mean he was dominant in 2013?

And also your literally using like 4 guys drafted over the course of like 8 years to make your point. I’m very very positive if we looked at every receiver drafted in the past decade most had significant improved from their freshman to their junior/senior years. In fact let’s look at the top receivers in this coming draft class and compare their freshman catches to the past year:
Garrett Wilson - 30 catches -> 70 catches
Chris Olave - 12 catches -> 65 catches
Drake London -> 39 catches -> 88 catches
Jameson Williams - 6 catches -> 79 catches
Treylon Burks - 29 catches -> 66 catches


Guess what? We don’t need guys like Julio Jones. Yea they are nice but there literally like one per recruiting class and Alabama has the best recruiter of all time so of course they end up with them. You are literally trying to make a case by using maybe the best school of the decade at churning out receivers, as if we need to be at that level in order to compete

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LSU entirely switched their offense. That’s an easy one. Any of those guys would’ve gone off in the 2019 offense.


Justin Jefferson went from 0 catches in 2017 to 54 in 2018, not sure what 2019 has to do with that level of development, from literally not making a SINGLE catch.
Posted by TheJones
Member since Nov 2009
34510 posts
Posted on 2/23/22 at 7:51 pm to
Again, agreed. But guys take time to develop too. For every Bama WR you’re pointing out that had monster freshman seasons there are more that saw increases year over year with playing time and development.

Not saying a WR coach taught those guys how to be fast and catch the ball but they’ve also gotta know the routes and blocking or else you don’t play for Nick Saban.

But how many schools are replicating what Saban has done with those WR rooms? Ohio State has had a couple of good guys lately. LSU had a stacked room on and off for a decade. Those aren’t very common. Nobody is saying that’s not the best option. But if you’re not those schools getting multiple top 10 WRs each class you better be able to do something with what you have
Posted by jangalang
Member since Dec 2014
50769 posts
Posted on 2/23/22 at 7:52 pm to
LINK

Ike Hilliard amazing play…
Posted by TheJones
Member since Nov 2009
34510 posts
Posted on 2/23/22 at 7:53 pm to
Looks like that was recorded on a potato
Posted by jangalang
Member since Dec 2014
50769 posts
Posted on 2/23/22 at 7:54 pm to
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Nate Craig-Myers was ranked 6th Kyle Davis was ranked 10th

No wonder Gus was scared by elite ruhcroots
Posted by jangalang
Member since Dec 2014
50769 posts
Posted on 2/23/22 at 7:58 pm to
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I’m very very positive if we looked at every receiver drafted in the past decade most had significant improved from their freshman to their junior/senior years. In fact let’s look at the top receivers in this coming draft class and compare their freshman

Some guys develop at a different pace but you’re wrong if you’re suggesting coaching is the reason why these players developed. Just like a lot of you are wrong to say look at the drops the WR coach probably needs to be fired.
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