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re: City of Auburn evicts students in certain neighborhoods

Posted on 10/4/17 at 7:58 pm to
Posted by NC1406
Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 10/4/17 at 7:58 pm to
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Zoning is only for select neighborhoods. They zone on an as needed basis. So newer developments that don't have issues with unrelated occupants = not being zoned that way



This issue leaves me torn. Somewhat a libertarian. Not real excited when someone tells me what to do with my property. BUT I live in a 93 lot neighborhood that has covenants. Would bet that 45% of the homes are weekend homes for folks looking to escape the city or young retirees. The HOA voted to limit rentals to a 6 month minimum to prevent weekly rentals. We had one dude collecting 4500 + a week and after the vote he sold the place. While I disagree with the vote, I damn sure don't want the house next door hosting weekly rental parties. Built here for the privacy, trails, lake and nature.

My next build will have much more acreage so this will never be an issue in the future.

On the specific case in this thread, the family that bought in the regulated neighborhood knew the rules. they can move a couple girls out and will be fine with their investment.



Posted by GenesChin
The Promise Land
Member since Feb 2012
37704 posts
Posted on 10/4/17 at 8:57 pm to
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This issue leaves me torn. Somewhat a libertarian. Not real excited when someone tells me what to do with my property


While I probably skew libertarian, this is a little different for me. Your neighbor and their use of their property have real financial / quality of life consequences for you. Should I be allowed to build a mega spotlight and point it at my neighbors windows at night? Should I be allowed to play Justin Beiber music on full blast in my yard? Should I be allowed to destroy my property and reduce my neighbor's home value?
n area

For the most part, these zoning laws are attempts to mitigate conflicts in the community by designating community agreed upon zones for certain types of property. It is extremely easy to live in less restrictive zones or move to unincorporated lands outside city limits


The cost of being part of a community is giving parts of your individual freedom. The cost reflects subjecting yourself to the community rules regarding interaction between Members. The more engaged and interconnected a community, the higher the cost.



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While I disagree with the vote, I damn sure don't want the house next door hosting weekly rental parties.


When someone buys a property next to you and affects your sanity through no action of your own



This post was edited on 10/4/17 at 10:40 pm
Posted by FearlessFreep
Baja Alabama
Member since Nov 2009
17256 posts
Posted on 10/5/17 at 8:53 am to
"The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun." - Ecclesiastes 1:9


From the Auburn Plainsman, sometime in January 1982:



Posted by higgs_boson
State College, PA
Member since Sep 2014
22454 posts
Posted on 10/5/17 at 9:15 am to
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Probably a large number of affluent residents complained about college kids partying near their homes.

Seems to me that's just something you deal with living in a college town, no need for city intervention.


It is amazing how a few decades can change your perspective on this.

I now live in State College, about 1 mile from campus. Now my views are that of the crotchedy old man yelling for the kids to stay off of my lawn. In my experience, here at least, complaints usually do not happen unless:
A) You have THAT neighbor, who is likely retired and watches like a hawk
B) You have several instances that go beyond the pale of what is reasonable.

I have only had B happen twice in three years. Did not complain to the municipality or the cops. Just went and had a serious conversation with them about it. They took it pretty well once we talked about how it is normal to party a lot in college, but keep in mind that others who live in the neighborhood have jobs and need to be up before 6 AM on any given weekday.
Posted by FearlessFreep
Baja Alabama
Member since Nov 2009
17256 posts
Posted on 10/5/17 at 2:36 pm to
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I have only had B happen twice in three years. Did not complain to the municipality or the cops. Just went and had a serious conversation with them about it. They took it pretty well once we talked about how it is normal to party a lot in college, but keep in mind that others who live in the neighborhood have jobs and need to be up before 6 AM on any given weekday.
You are a reasonable homeowner in a college town.

In the case I posted above, the homeowner was not terribly reasonable. The band in question had set up their practice space in a heavily soundproofed interior bedroom. To make sure no one would be disturbed, the band conducted a test with their next door neighor, the homeowner nearest the practice space. She stood in her carport and was unable to hear the band playing at full volume. What's more, in order to maintain friendly relations with the others in the neighborhood, they limited their practice time to early evenings (before 7pm) and never played at any of their own parties (which tended to be pretty tame).

As a result of all this effort, they remained in the house completely undetected for 6 months - until they made the mistake of loaning their PA gear to another band, who stupidly attempted to deliver it to the house of the lady who ended up filing the complaint against them to the housing authority. Until then, she had no idea there were any students in the neighborhood, much less a band. When the three attempted to approach her and work out some sort of compromise, she refused to budge, saying that they had no legal right to live there (sadly she was right).

The realty company ended up providing a trailer on Wire Road for the bass player, the drummer, who was graduating at the end of Winter Quarter, stayed with a friend, and the guitarist lived in the house until the end of Spring.

But this story has a happy ending - Mrs. T.W. Ledbetter is dead now. So there.
Posted by GenesChin
The Promise Land
Member since Feb 2012
37704 posts
Posted on 10/5/17 at 2:58 pm to
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Seems to me that's just something you deal with living in a college town, no need for city intervention.


No, it isn't something you just roll over and "deal with."

This isn't a shortage of student housing situation. There are plenty of housing in Auburn for students. Hell, students can even live in these zoned neighborhoods if it is just 2 of them
Posted by Outside looking in
Member since Apr 2011
549 posts
Posted on 10/5/17 at 3:39 pm to
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On the specific case in this thread, the family that bought in the regulated neighborhood knew the rules. they can move a couple girls out and will be fine with their investment.


Or they could pair up and gay marry.
Posted by GenesChin
The Promise Land
Member since Feb 2012
37704 posts
Posted on 10/5/17 at 3:42 pm to
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Or they could pair up and gay marry


Don't think so. The other couple would still be 2 other unrelated people

Plus, throwing two separate weddings for 4 sorority girls? Got to imagine that is > cost of new living arrangements
Posted by Outside looking in
Member since Apr 2011
549 posts
Posted on 10/5/17 at 3:48 pm to
The cost of thank you notes alone would be prohibitive.
Posted by GenesChin
The Promise Land
Member since Feb 2012
37704 posts
Posted on 10/5/17 at 5:27 pm to
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The cost of thank you notes alone would be prohibitive


That and the fights on whose monogram they should go with? That's a nuclear disaster waiting to happen
Posted by Danger54
Eclectic, AL
Member since Sep 2017
554 posts
Posted on 10/5/17 at 6:51 pm to
Being fairly young and owning a home in a rural area, this whole concept is far beyond my reach. I lived in an apartment while I was at Auburn and the only people we pissed off were our Asian neighbors... lol.
Posted by GenesChin
The Promise Land
Member since Feb 2012
37704 posts
Posted on 10/5/17 at 7:54 pm to
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Being fairly young and owning a home in a rural area, this whole concept is far beyond my reach


So the basic theory is that the actions of Person A may have negative externalities for Person B and creates inefficient behavior

What I mean by that is if you do something that gives you +2 happiness but it causes someone else to have -5 happiness it is suboptimal outcome

Extreme Hypothetical Example-
Key background- Schrute Bucks = Valuable and everyone wants more
Say an Alabama fan who refuses to step foot in Auburn inherited property on Toomers Corner and wants to lease it for rental

Only two people want to lease the property

In N' Out Burger for - 500,000 Schrute Bucks / year
Billy's Exotic Obese Male Strip Club for - 1,000,000 Schrute Bucks / year

Community Value of In N' Out - 500,000 Shrute Bucks
Community Value of Club - Negative 5,000,000 Shrute Bucks

Obviously the Ahole Alabama fan will lease to Billy as it is so clearly in his favor to take the 1mil Shrute Bucks

The problem is that the community is down 1bil Shrute Bucks, which means they lost significantly more than that guy gained. This one guy's decision could cause huge losses to the community

Solutions
-Auburn Do nothing: Community value drops, which negatively impacts the economy and property values in Auburn

-Auburn Community pays lease: After 10 years Auburn loss in value is greater than if they did nothing + held hostage and risk repeat situation w/ larger Billys offer

-Auburn Creates Zoning Laws: Auburn restricts the usage of the land so Billys cant be on Toomer's Corner, Alabama fan still experiences profit of 500,000SB/year and Auburn Community gets In N' Out benefit of 500,000 Shrute Bucks





Posted by GenesChin
The Promise Land
Member since Feb 2012
37704 posts
Posted on 10/5/17 at 7:55 pm to
The premise of zoning laws is that you don't have the right to damage community + community value
Posted by Danger54
Eclectic, AL
Member since Sep 2017
554 posts
Posted on 10/5/17 at 8:12 pm to
I understand that rowdy jackasses that raise hell all night, don't cut their grass, and leave beer cans all over their yard bring down property values. My opinion is just less valuable because I am not far removed from the described a-hole.
Posted by GenesChin
The Promise Land
Member since Feb 2012
37704 posts
Posted on 10/5/17 at 8:30 pm to
My bad, I misunderstood

I like my shrute buck example so I'm keeping it up
Posted by Danger54
Eclectic, AL
Member since Sep 2017
554 posts
Posted on 10/5/17 at 8:51 pm to
Props! That was a super thorough, elaborate explanation.
Posted by higgs_boson
State College, PA
Member since Sep 2014
22454 posts
Posted on 10/5/17 at 9:54 pm to
Premise is flawed. What self respecting Auburn person would leave anything like that to an Alabama fan?

Now an old double wide and vhs copy of punt bama punt, maybe.
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