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re: 2017 Football Recruiting Thread ["N$D Bryant" Edition]
Posted on 8/9/16 at 7:01 am to AA7
Posted on 8/9/16 at 7:01 am to AA7
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Craig was here for 3 years, that was his fault.
What his fault? It's like you are saying you expect a coach to replenish SEC level depth in three years. You are regurgitating the same crap and talking in circles. I'm not going to chase your tail with you.
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Trooper
Do you really think that fool taught our receivers any more than DC? LMAO, dumbass.
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Posted on 8/9/16 at 7:05 am to jangalang
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Speaking of LSU, did y'all know that we let our best recruiter just literally pick up his ball and go to a hated rival to coach?
at some point the dude had to actually be a productive *on-field* coach though. Our WRs didn't block for shite and definitely couldn't catch for shite. I'm fine with him being gone if it means better on-field coaching from Kodi. That remains to be seen.
Posted on 8/9/16 at 8:05 am to jangalang
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Do you really think that fool taught our receivers any more than DC? LMAO, dumbass.
Our receivers looked better under Trooper than they did under DC. I think we can all agree on that.
Posted on 8/9/16 at 8:20 am to bawbarn
Trooper was a good football coach as well. Nothing great about his abilities though as a WR's coach. He is actually now a cornerbacks coach at ASU and teams aren't exactly beating down his door wanting his services as a WR coach either.
I believe our offense was opened up in Trooper's days though. Plus Trooper's WR's mostly had a decent QB throwing the football. DC had Nick and Jeremy Johnson throwing the football in a run heavy, simplistic offenses.
I believe our offense was opened up in Trooper's days though. Plus Trooper's WR's mostly had a decent QB throwing the football. DC had Nick and Jeremy Johnson throwing the football in a run heavy, simplistic offenses.
Posted on 8/9/16 at 8:21 am to jangalang
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Do you really think that fool taught our receivers any more than DC? LMAO, dumbass.
I hate Trooper Taylor. That being said, his WR units always performed at a high level. Not sure how, but they did.
If it was that easy, DC would have turned out at least some competent WRs during his tenure with all the talent accumulated
Posted on 8/9/16 at 8:31 am to GenesChin
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That being said, his WR units always performed at a high level. Not sure how, but they did.
Yeah cuz our 2011 and 2012 offenses were so awesome!!
Posted on 8/9/16 at 8:56 am to jangalang
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Yeah cuz our 2011 and 2012 offenses were so awesome!!
Exactly, it makes it even more impressive that Trooper gave us our #5 & #7 all time receivers as well as the #3 & #4 yardage seasons by a receiver.
I am hard pressed to believe Trooper is some expert WR coach, but everywhere he went he had quality WRs even if the QB play was bad
This post was edited on 8/9/16 at 8:57 am
Posted on 8/9/16 at 9:06 am to GenesChin
Trooper inherited a bunch of guys as well. DC didn't. Darvin arrived in 2007 and Trooper much later on, but of course, you're giving Trooper the credit for his success. But when I brought up Sammie, AA7 went straight homer and brought up that he was a Trooper recruit. The hypocrisy reeks in here
ETA- Where was Emory Blake's help in 2012 if Trooper was such a great coach? Don't tell me that Trooper forgot how to coach or something...
ETA- Where was Emory Blake's help in 2012 if Trooper was such a great coach? Don't tell me that Trooper forgot how to coach or something...
This post was edited on 8/9/16 at 9:18 am
Posted on 8/9/16 at 9:12 am to jangalang
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Plus Trooper's WR's mostly had a decent QB throwing the football.
So you use this for part of your argument, and then follow it up with this.
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Yeah cuz our 2011 and 2012 offenses were so awesome!!
So Tooper's players played in god awful offenses, 2011 and 2012, which I can assume is because of the receivers?, but they had decent QBs throwing to them, which made Trooper's coaching look better than it actually was?
In 2013, 2014, 15 they played in better offenses, but didn't have decent QBs throwing to them, which made DCs coaching job look much worse than it really was?
Posted on 8/9/16 at 9:16 am to bawbarn
I guess ^^guy didn't realize that it is possible to have a good offense even though your QB couldn't throw.
Our receiver in 2009 catching footballs from Todd or our receivers catching footballs from Marshall in 2013. Compare the offenses and you will see that 2013's offense was hella better even though Todd was more consistent.
Our receiver in 2009 catching footballs from Todd or our receivers catching footballs from Marshall in 2013. Compare the offenses and you will see that 2013's offense was hella better even though Todd was more consistent.
This post was edited on 8/9/16 at 9:17 am
Posted on 8/9/16 at 9:19 am to jangalang
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Trooper inherited a bunch of guys as well. DC didn't.
Are you really saying Trooper had better talent to work with than DC. Trooper got more out of scrubs than DC did with two studs. We are just fortunate Sammie was fast enough to get behind any coverage. The fact that you have nothing to point to in regards to DC's WR production should be telling enough for your argument. You claim 3 years isn't long enough to build quality depth, which is ridiculous. I'm not going to research it but I'm assuming every WR on the team last year except Ricardo was a DC recruit. We are relying on a bunch of freshmen and that is an indictment on DC. I'm sure you will continue to ignore the points you cannot refute and then pick one and attempt to discredit it by saying I'm going in circles. Not sure why it's so hard for you to accept that DC is not that great when it comes to actual coaching.
Posted on 8/9/16 at 9:25 am to AA7
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We are just fortunate Sammie was fast enough to get behind any coverage.
Posted on 8/9/16 at 9:26 am to jangalang
Thank the lort for post and go routes.
Posted on 8/9/16 at 9:27 am to jangalang
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Our receiver in 2009 catching footballs from Todd or our receivers catching footballs from Marshall in 2013. Compare the offenses and you will see that 2013's offense was hella better even though Todd was more consistent.
Todd:
13 198 328 60.4 2612 8.0 8.5 22 6 145.7
Marshall:
13 178 293 60.8 2532 8.6 8.9 20 7 151.1
This post was edited on 8/9/16 at 9:32 am
Posted on 8/9/16 at 9:35 am to jangalang
DC coached bubble screen WR's, Fly WR's, and speed sweep WR's. When Marcus Davis catches the ball eight times for 31 yards against Georgia, that is when you know the route tree is shite. Can you really blame DC for Marcus not producing any more? Or in 2013, when we're putting a stomping on Tennessee despite only passing the ball six times, is it DC's fault that we had receivers that didn't step up that game? Duke was our only true receiver last year and he didn't even last. If you want true receivers you have to start training your WR's to run more more routes than "go run down the field."
Posted on 8/9/16 at 9:37 am to bawbarn
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Todd: 13 198 328 60.4 2612 8.0 8.5 22 6 145.7 Marshall: 13 178 293 60.8 2532 8.6 8.9 20 7 151.1
Compelling argument. Have an upvote. You can take today off too.
Posted on 8/9/16 at 9:40 am to jangalang
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Duke was our only true receiver last year and he didn't even last
I blame DC's recruiting
Posted on 8/9/16 at 9:45 am to jangalang
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Compelling argument. Have an upvote. You can take today off too.
Wait, my upvote is still zero.
edit: Thanks! I took a screenshot.
This post was edited on 8/9/16 at 9:46 am
Posted on 8/9/16 at 9:46 am to jangalang
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Trooper inherited a bunch of guys as well.
Nothing like inheriting 3* Darvin Adams with 3 career receptions and pumping back to back top 5 AU WR seasons
Terrell Zachary had 0 career receptions before Trooper took him over too
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Where was Emory Blake's help in 2012
You mean when Emory blake had nearly 800 yards despite having Keihl Frazier/Jonathan Wallace throwing him the ball
Posted on 8/9/16 at 9:47 am to AA7
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I blame DC's recruiting
You shouldn't. Given that some high four star will soon be the next 8 catch 31 yards "receiver," it's impressive that our own WRs still want to play for us, much less four high ranking recruits in one year.
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