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momentoftruth87
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Why cant Mike Recruit?
Just got done looking at the previous 5 years or so basketball recruiting and the highest class we had - IN THE SEC - was 5th. How are we going to compete for the tournament when we cant even compete in recruiting. And thats the friggin SEC!! I dont even want to look at where we finished nationally.


ArHog
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re: Why cant Mike Recruit?
Hook is too shiny Bro!




momentoftruth87
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re: Why cant Mike Recruit?
Not intended as a hook. I guess I dont follow Basketball recruiting/notice it as much as football. But serious OP there. Anyone care to give me some words?


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re: Why cant Mike Recruit?
I like this team. May not be the highest rated, but these guys are very talented.


momentoftruth87
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re: Why cant Mike Recruit?
I'm not knocking the players brother, just askin a question. Why do we expect greatness - as a "basketball school" - when we aren't even at the top of the SEC?


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re: Why cant Mike Recruit?
Mike Neighbors hasn't been at arkansas for 5 years


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BoarEd
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re: Why cant Mike Recruit?
You said you looked at the last 5 years, right?

5th place is the best finish in recruiting?

Now check total SEC wins during the same period.

He ranks #2. Whatever he's doing is working. And he isn't paying players.

I'm guessing Auburn was one of the teams with better recruiting classes. They also have a coach in jail.


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re: Why cant Mike Recruit?
Also, I'm pretty sure LSU had some better classes than we did and they were lucky not to be run out of the gym by 20 the other night.

Your recruiting class ranking doesn't determine your final conference standing. Mike Anderson's teams play above their recruiting stars ranking.

I'll be anxious to see if he can continue recruiting at a higher clip and what that means for his team then. Will they continue to play above their recruiting rankings even as they climb higher in the rankings? Hope so.
This post was edited on 2/8 at 9:34 pm


momentoftruth87
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re: Why cant Mike Recruit?
So why do we attack football coaches for not having great classes, but Mike gets a pass? You also think that if we can do this with his recruiting, we couldn't do better with better classes? We won't ever make the tournament this year, and other teams will continue to pass us.


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re: Why cant Mike Recruit?
I don't know who "we" is you're talking about. I don't attack football coaches for anything. Except Bielema. After the South Carolina loss I was ready to forcibly remove that motherfricker from the football complex.

As for the rest of your post I guess we can just agree to disagree.

Mike Anderson gonna take the youngest team in the nation to the NCAAt.


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ArHog
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re: Why cant Mike Recruit?
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Not intended as a hook. I guess I dont follow Basketball recruiting/notice it as much as football. But serious OP there. Anyone care to give me some words?


Problem is, Mike can't keep players. Whitt, Babb, Hall Phillips, etc...

He can't manage a roster so they leave. Maybe they weren't SEC players when recruited, but Mike gave them a Scholly.

So you weed through all the croots and end up with yet another Freshman laden class with a JUCO.

Wash, rinse, repeat.

Eight is Enough


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momentoftruth87
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re: Why cant Mike Recruit?
We as in a majority of posters on here. I'm very impressed with our football recruiting, but still see fans think it's not good enough. It wasn't directed at you bro, just pointing it out.


Gullah Gullah Island
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re: Why cant Mike Recruit?
quote:

So why do we attack football coaches for not having great classes, but Mike gets a pass?


Probably because
quote:

5th place is the best finish in recruiting? Now check total SEC wins during the same period. He ranks #2. Whatever he's doing is working. And he isn't paying players.


If Morris wins no one will really care where he finishes in recruiting.


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BoarEd
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re: Why cant Mike Recruit?
It's not ALL about recruiting rankings. Don't get me wrong, all the great programs recruit very well, but there are plenty of cases where teams can do more with less, especially in basketball. Check the recruiting rankings for Wichita State or Gonzaga.

How is it that one of the poorest schools in the country can build a team that makes it to the Final Four and puts Kentucky on the ropes with all their 5* one and done types?

Because chemistry is a huge factor in basketball. Maturity matters. Etc. Etc. Etc.

I'm not gonna sit here and have another Mike Anderson debate. I'm pretty sure everyone knows where everyone else falls and it gets boring.

No offense.


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RazorHawg
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re: Why cant Mike Recruit?
Mike Recruiting at Arkansas

Currently- #14 in SEC; #131 in Nation

2018 - #8 in SEC; #38 in Nation

2017 - #8 in SEC; #36 in Nation

2016 - #5 in SEC; #29 in Nation

2015 - #14 in SEC; #101 in Nation

2014 - #9 in SEC; #43 in Nation

2013 - #4 in SEC; #19 in Nation

2012 - #9 in SEC; #46 in Nation


He inherited the Pel recruiting class which evaporated within two years under Mike except Madden.

2012 - Qualls, Clarke and Bell came the second year. JaCorey was another. Alandise Harris transferred in and late sign Dee Wagner.

BJ, Mickelson, Powell all exited early.

2013 - Portis and Kingsley joined the third year as did transfer Keaton Miles. Manny Watkins late walkon. Wagner left.

2014 - Quality started to dip with Beard, Babb and Thompson in the fourth class but Mike was looking for the four year college players. Hannahs transferred in and Durham signed late out of JUCO.

Offseason exodus including Portis and Qualls to NBA, transfers Babb and Williams. Madden/Harris grad.

2015 - Recruiting crashed with Whitt and late sign Lorenzo Jenkins in a two person recruiting class as neither stayed to sophomore year along with questionable at best transfers in of Dustin Thomas and grad transfer Willy Kouassi.

Durham, Bell, Miles and Kouassi eligibility’s expired. Whitt and Jenkins transferred.

2016 - The experienced JUCO class followed - Barford, Macon, Cook along with HS athlete Bailey and late signs CJ Jones and Hazen.

Hannahs, Watkins, Kingsley parted. Hazen transferred.

2017 - Gafford, Garland and Hall. One stud, one health issue and one freshman transfer. Gabe Osabuohien late sign plus Jalen Harris transfer in.

CJ and Hall transfer. Barford, Macon, Cook, Beard, Thompson, Thomas out of eligibility. 8 leave

2018 - Joe, Sills, Henderson, Embery, Phillips, Chaney. Late sign JUCO Mason Jones and Ibrahim Ali.

Phillips transfers after a semester.

2019 - Justice Hill, early enrollee. Staff currently acting like they will sign 3 more meaning more have to leave and still no Gafford replacement.


Razorback Reverend
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re: Why cant Mike Recruit?
I believe it would be about average with were our Football recruiting has been as well.

Other than the switching in coaches etc.

8-9th in the SEC... Just imagine what CMA could possibly do with some higher rated cruits… And coaching them up as we suppose he does...

Forgetting what BP said of course...


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ArHog
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re: Why cant Mike Recruit?
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RazorHawg


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Razorback Reverend
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re: Why cant Mike Recruit?
Dang.. that's pretty pathetic...

I didn't realize...


RazorHawg
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re: Why cant Mike Recruit?
Late signing period signees are a quick ticket to transfer under Mike because they are depth reaches who can’t play at this level after the quality pool signed in Nov.

His staff of family and friends struggle to recruit quality anywhere (local, regional or national) consistently unless it’s a Gafford or Portis type who were always coming to Arkansas. We get so many ranked 150-250 and never hit the major cities in the regional or nationally like Nolan did in Chicago and other cities.


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UltimateHog
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re: Why cant Mike Recruit?
247 is also the worst of the major 3 for basketball.

Last years class for example was #23 on Rivals with two 4 stars and #18 on ESPN with 4 four stars. That's about where we should be regardless of coach similar to football.


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