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re: So many threads about new coaches
Posted on 11/2/17 at 10:22 pm to ArHog
Posted on 11/2/17 at 10:22 pm to ArHog
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More of the same. new philosophy, players may not buy in, see Bert year 1
As opposed to knowing for a fact that we are in for more of the same? What's the plan when we're 4-8 or 5-7 after next year?
Alabama and Auburn will still be who they are. Texas A&M beat us with freshmen this year, who'll be a year better. Hell, we miraculously beat Ole Miss with an interim coach, and one foot in the NCAA grave. LSU will pound us this year and next. What exactly is the upside to getting embarrassed with a 6th year coach?
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Posted on 11/3/17 at 9:41 am to troyt37
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As opposed to knowing for a fact that we are in for more of the same? What's the plan when we're 4-8 or 5-7 after next year?
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What exactly is the upside to getting embarrassed with a 6th year coach?
Then we send fat arse on his way, buyout is more manageable and just maybe half the SEC isn't looking for new coaches.
Posted on 11/3/17 at 9:44 am to Stonehog
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You can't give the team any shred of credit for that?
No.
They had the ball and a 10 point lead with 6 mins to go. We were gifted everything in that game.
They're going up 38-7 if they don't fumble in the redzone. Bielema probably would've been fired after the game if they don't fumble there. Instead we continue to be the unluckiest fanbase in America. Haven't won shite since 94 basketball
This post was edited on 11/3/17 at 9:46 am
Posted on 11/3/17 at 10:01 am to ArHog
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Then we send fat arse on his way, buyout is more manageable and just maybe half the SEC isn't looking for new coaches.
And what could have been a potentially amazing '19 recruiting class is totally wasted bc our admin and AD:
And because of that, we'll be just like we were in 2012. No recruit will want to come here knowing the coach recruiting him is about to be fired.
Posted on 11/3/17 at 10:18 am to ArHog
quote:buyout isn't as bad as it seems. It was a big ordeal a week or 2 ago when it came out where have you been
buyout is more manageable
quote:this is some pussy shite right here. You can't be afraid of other people hiring. You get rid of fatass when it's time to go, you don't worry about other schools
maybe half the SEC isn't looking for new coaches.
Posted on 11/3/17 at 10:31 am to ArHog
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and just maybe half the SEC isn't looking for new coaches
This is the one argument that holds a little water, IMO. I started a thread about it as a matter of fact. But what it comes down to is what direction are we going with a new coach.
A lot of the needed info cannot be known if you aren't the AD. Are there legitimate, established coaches who have expressed interest? Are there legitimate up and comer types who have expressed interest?
If we're looking for a name, a splash hire, this isn't the year, because there are bigger better programs already out looking. But if we are looking for the right guy, the right attitude, and chip on his shoulder to show that his program will work in the best conference in college football, then this may be the perfect time. With the exception of maybe Campbell, Tennessee, Florida, nor aTm are looking for that guy.
Posted on 11/3/17 at 10:51 am to troyt37
It still doesn't matter. If the dude is failing at his job you frickin fire him. It's really just that simple. There are a lot of good candidates out there and Arkansas can get one of them. Arkansas has a pretty established track record of hiring good coaches. You keep hiring them until one of them works out. You don't stick it out with some guy who is not only not getting the job done, but exposing himself as a lame duck. It can end up setting you back if you don't get rid of him.
Posted on 11/3/17 at 11:19 am to BoarEd
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There are a lot of good candidates out there and Arkansas can get one of them.
Not too sure about that. I haven't seen a list yet that wasn't chock full of wishful thinking type candidates. Neither Campbell or Morris are actually established, successful coaches, IMO. I mean, nobody wants Holtz, but he has had similar good seasons, right?
I don't think it's very legitimate to think that we are just going to pull a coach from another P5 program, especially after BB. You can't tell me other coaches didn't see him riding high in the B10, and then crash and burn here. That has to have some effect, depending on his reputation within the coaching community.
Posted on 11/3/17 at 11:31 am to troyt37
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don't think it's very legitimate to think that we are just going to pull a coach from another P5 program, especially after BB. You can't tell me other coaches didn't see him riding high in the B10, and then crash and burn here. That has to have some effect, depending on his reputation within the coaching community.
If fans all over the country have noticed that Wisconsin has kept on rolling without him, and gotten better in some cases. Other coaches have noticed.
Posted on 11/3/17 at 11:42 am to russellvillehog
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If fans all over the country have noticed that Wisconsin has kept on rolling without him, and gotten better in some cases. Other coaches have noticed.
What is the takeaway? That BB is suddenly not a good coach, or that the SEC is murderous?
Posted on 11/3/17 at 12:18 pm to troyt37
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What is the takeaway? That BB is suddenly not a good coach, or that the SEC is murderous?
Yes... although not as murderous at current time..
Posted on 11/3/17 at 12:31 pm to troyt37
That he was a product of Wisconsin, not the other way around.
Posted on 11/3/17 at 12:33 pm to troyt37
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What is the takeaway? That BB is suddenly not a good coach, or that the SEC is murderous?
I don't think BB is a bad coach per se, though he is a lazy one, he is, however, a coach that isn't willing to change with the times and circumstances.
His philosophy of taking it easy in the off season so his teams will be fresh for the final month or so of a season worked just fine in Wisconsin because their big games tend to be back loaded on the schedule and he's got several games to get them in game shape.
Here you are getting a P5 team early in the year and A&M right after. Then, after maybe a week or so, you've got Auburn and Alabama dropping in to say hello. You have to be ready to go right off the bat because by the time your team has played itself into shape the season is, for all intents and purposes, over.
He has also been unwilling to change his philosophies on both sides of the ball, even when its becoming increasingly clear they aren't working.
Great coaches change with the times. Watch some of the old film clips of Broyles' Arkansas teams and they were running a pro style (for that time period) system. When it became clear that the Wishbone was the way to go Broyles changed course even though he'd won a national title with a pro style attack.
The 5-2 used to be the way to go, when it became clear it wasn't getting the job done coaches went with the 4-3 or 3-4.
Bielema is unwilling to change and leave his comfort zone and the SEC is all about adapting to what is happening now. Hell, Spurrier dropped his fun and gun system to go with the read option. If a hall of fame coach can let go of the system he personally developed then you, as a coach, had best be willing to embrace change.
Posted on 11/3/17 at 12:35 pm to Razorback Reverend
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Yes... although not as murderous at current time..
There's another possible takeaway, that's even worse than an otherwise highly successful coach not being able to come in and even make a blip on the SEC radar, that being Arkansas as a program just isn't capable of being competitive in the SEC. This perspective is much more damaging in my opinion, and is one of the primary reasons Bielema must go.
It's also one of the reasons I want an up and comer type coach. An established coach like BB can tell himself all he needs to do is implement his system, and do things the way he's always done, which has brought success. Any up and comer worth hiring knows immediately that he, his assistants, and his team are going to have to perform and compete at a higher level than they ever have before.
This post was edited on 11/3/17 at 12:38 pm
Posted on 11/3/17 at 12:54 pm to Arksulli
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He has also been unwilling to change his philosophies on both sides of the ball, even when its becoming increasingly clear they aren't working.
Do you even watch the games?
Posted on 11/3/17 at 12:58 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
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buyout isn't as bad as it seems. It was a big ordeal a week or 2 ago when it came out where have you been
His buyout is $15 million right now. The administration didn't challenge the Dem-Gaz article because they're embarrassed at the size of the buyout. But make no mistake, it's $15 million until January 1, 2018.
Posted on 11/3/17 at 12:58 pm to troyt37
Having the attitude of not going after a coach because you are competing other schools is a losers mentality.
Are some of the other schools we are up against more attractive in some areas? Yes
However, when you sell your program to another coach you emphasize your strengths and not your deficiencies. You stress your competitive advantage against other programs.
Are some of the other schools we are up against more attractive in some areas? Yes
However, when you sell your program to another coach you emphasize your strengths and not your deficiencies. You stress your competitive advantage against other programs.
Posted on 11/3/17 at 12:59 pm to Stonehog
I think the poster may have been suggesting that Bielema dictates too much of the playcalling in games. And I agree.
Posted on 11/3/17 at 1:04 pm to boogiewoogie1978
So a coach just has to decide if they'd rather lose to Bama every year at Tennessee or Arkansas. Tough call!
What's really surprising is so many of our fans wanting to burn the entire program down just to hire Chad Morris. He's 13-19 as a head coach.
What's really surprising is so many of our fans wanting to burn the entire program down just to hire Chad Morris. He's 13-19 as a head coach.
Posted on 11/3/17 at 1:06 pm to BoarEd
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I think the poster may have been suggesting that Bielema dictates too much of the playcalling in games. And I agree.
Then you both couldn't be more wrong. He has little to no input on playcalling, he leaves that to Enos and Rhoads.
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