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re: So, bad year for a coaching search.
Posted on 10/29/17 at 8:19 pm to RazorBroncs
Posted on 10/29/17 at 8:19 pm to RazorBroncs
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heard OM could likely stick with Luke if they remain competitive
Zero chance this is happening.
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Posted on 10/29/17 at 8:21 pm to troyt37
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So far, we have Tennessee, Florida, Ole Miss, UCLA, Nebraska, Kansas, and Arkansas.
In what world are we going up against UCLA and Kansas for coaches?
We’re still talking about football, right?
We’re a better program presently than every team on that list excepting Florida.
This post was edited on 10/29/17 at 8:22 pm
Posted on 10/29/17 at 9:22 pm to Feral
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In what world are we going up against UCLA and Kansas for coaches?
Hell, I don't know, and neither do you. What planet were you on when you had us going up against the Atlanta Falcons for Petrino? Did you have us up against Wisconsin when we got Butthead?
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We’re a better program presently than every team on that list excepting Florida.
Sorry, been a hog all my life, but we aren't a better program than Tennessee. They're on hard times, but get real. There's still a possibility for aTm, and LSU as well.
Posted on 10/29/17 at 10:23 pm to troyt37
I thought he would get next year regardless, until he was blown the heck out by USC E and Auburn...
It was an a terrible exhibition at home, against Aubbie.
Folks were pizzed.. That was the game he needed to win in order to definitely be safe... then the releasing of the buyout being much lower than the public thought, Then the media being released to do a bit of attacking...
We were not expected to beat OM away. I will have a conversation with one of my friends in NW Arkansas on Wed evening. Previously planned business call. See what he is hearing then.
Look, we suck... with his recruits, with his assistants, with his coaching, we suck period.
It was an a terrible exhibition at home, against Aubbie.
Folks were pizzed.. That was the game he needed to win in order to definitely be safe... then the releasing of the buyout being much lower than the public thought, Then the media being released to do a bit of attacking...
We were not expected to beat OM away. I will have a conversation with one of my friends in NW Arkansas on Wed evening. Previously planned business call. See what he is hearing then.
Look, we suck... with his recruits, with his assistants, with his coaching, we suck period.
Posted on 10/29/17 at 10:30 pm to troyt37
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Hell, I don't know, and neither do you. What planet were you on when you had us going up against the Atlanta Falcons for Petrino? Did you have us up against Wisconsin when we got Butthead?
And it's exactly why it's stupid to take to the fainting couch the minute another program fires their coach in fear that we're not the only opening on the block. Like I said in another post, this notion that the coaching carousel is like a fantasy draft auction is a fallacy.
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Sorry, been a hog all my life, but we aren't a better program than Tennessee. They're on hard times, but get real. There's still a possibility for aTm, and LSU as well.
You missed the word "presently." They're in serious debt, haven't won a terrible East division since 2007, and havent won 10 games in a decade. They're a combined 4-26 over the last ten years against their true rivals Bama, Georgia and Florida. They were turned down by an army of coaches the last go around and had to hire Butch Jones, and that was coming off the heels of hiring Derek Dooley, who'd gone 17-20 at Louisiana Tech. They've gone downhill profoundly since they fired Fulmer.
1998 is quite a ways in the rear view mirror. Peerless Price ain't walking through that door.
Posted on 10/29/17 at 10:33 pm to Razorback Reverend
I'd agree with all of that, I'm just unsure where we are with making the call, and then where it puts us in the pecking order with Florida, Tennessee, Ole Miss, Nebraska, and possibly Auburn, LSU, and aTm also lifting their skirts.
Posted on 10/29/17 at 10:38 pm to troyt37
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with Florida, Tennessee, Ole Miss, Nebraska, and possibly Auburn, LSU, and aTm
Florida won't be interested in our main candidates unless we are talking Campbell.
Tennessee hasn't made a good hire in like the last four attempts, and considering they're thinking they're like "legit" getting Gruden, the idea that they're gonna right the ship this go round is laughable.
Ole Miss? See pending death penalty.
Auburn could be a player, but will still be chasing a different candidate than Arkansas.
No way LSU can possibly fire Orgeron for the next two years at least. They don't have the money.
A&M. That's all I'd be worried about at all.
I doubt that the Florida firing is having any real impact on our search, regardless of what Razor heard.
A&M may be a player for Morris.
This post was edited on 10/29/17 at 10:40 pm
Posted on 10/30/17 at 5:18 am to troyt37
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I'd agree with all of that, I'm just unsure where we are with making the call, and then where it puts us in the pecking order with Florida, Tennessee, Ole Miss, Nebraska, and possibly Auburn, LSU, and aTm also lifting their skirts.
Florida: They're looking for a totally different type of coach than Arkansas. A coach with Florida ties.
Tennessee: Nothing about their future vacancy should worry anyone. They're the mediocre hire waiting to happen, again.
Ole Miss: Really? Find a solid coach that will want that job with the NCAA hammer waiting to come down.
Nebraska: Its not 1994 any longer.
LSU: Cant afford to fire their coach.
aTm: Sumlin isn't going anywhere. If he does, it is one guy and one guy only they will target. Chad Morris.
Auburn: Gus isn't going anywhere after winning 10 games. That is a PR nightmare
This post was edited on 10/30/17 at 5:20 am
Posted on 10/30/17 at 9:20 am to Feral
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And it's exactly why it's stupid to take to the fainting couch the minute another program fires their coach in fear that we're not the only opening on the block.
I'm not running for the exits here, I'm just saying if we're looking for a coach, I think it would be better to be doing it in a year where 2 of the big 6 aren't also out looking.
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You missed the word "presently."
I didn't miss anything. I don't think that's a check in our column. That speaks to the ceiling of the program, saying their highs have been much higher than ours.
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They're in serious debt, haven't won a terrible East division since 2007, and havent won 10 games in a decade. They're a combined 4-26 over the last ten years against their true rivals Bama, Georgia and Florida.
Now do Arkansas.
Posted on 10/30/17 at 9:44 am to troyt37
I don't get all of the Tennessee love. Tennessee is a used-to-be job. They are in the same category as Nebraska.
Yes it is a good job but nowhere near the expectations the fans are looking for.
Yes it is a good job but nowhere near the expectations the fans are looking for.
Posted on 10/30/17 at 10:10 am to boogiewoogie1978
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I don't get all of the Tennessee love. Tennessee is a used-to-be job. They are in the same category as Nebraska.
Tennessee and probably to a little lesser extent Nebraska, have bones. The structure is there to build a consistent top 20, maybe even top 10 program.
When is the last time Arkansas put a dent in the college football world? 1978? I was 8 years old. I'm 47 now. Sure we've had some good results, and beat a few teams, but we really haven't had an impact on college football since 1970, the year I was born. Feel free to correct me.
Posted on 10/30/17 at 10:24 am to troyt37
I can't disagree but we live in a what have you done for me lately society. Instant gradification. Tennessee is too far out of that "instant gradification zone" to be relevant IMO.
Posted on 10/30/17 at 10:36 am to boogiewoogie1978
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Tennessee is too far out of that "instant gradification zone" to be relevant IMO.
Tennessee has won 5 SEC, and 1 National Championship since 1978, when we agree Arkansas last had any impact on the college football world.
Posted on 10/30/17 at 10:58 am to boogiewoogie1978
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I can't disagree but we live in a what have you done for me lately society. Instant gradification. Tennessee is too far out of that "instant gradification zone" to be relevant IMO.
Look at their 2015 class and tell me if we could ever recruit anywhere close to that level
Posted on 10/30/17 at 11:04 am to troyt37
Tennessee has more prestige than Arkansas and a slightly larger (they share the state with Vanderbilt) population base to draw talent from.
Everything else is relatively equal.
I wouldn't necessarily say that Tennessee is a better job, per se. They are finding out ever since the firing of Fulmer that it isn't as easy to win there as they think it is. Not to mention the fact that they have hired multiple failures in a row now.
But all of this misses the point several have made that you don't seem to want to address. Different schools will be chasing different candidates. The chicken little routine is so boring.
Everything else is relatively equal.
I wouldn't necessarily say that Tennessee is a better job, per se. They are finding out ever since the firing of Fulmer that it isn't as easy to win there as they think it is. Not to mention the fact that they have hired multiple failures in a row now.
But all of this misses the point several have made that you don't seem to want to address. Different schools will be chasing different candidates. The chicken little routine is so boring.
Posted on 10/30/17 at 11:13 am to BoarEd
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But all of this misses the point several have made that you don't seem to want to address. Different schools will be chasing different candidates. The chicken little routine is so boring.
It's not chicken little, it's being realistic. Name the coaches that Arkansas could hire, that wouldn't take a call from Florida, Tennessee, aTm, Auburn, or LSU. I'll wait.
Posted on 10/30/17 at 11:17 am to troyt37
You don't seem to understand what I'm saying. OTHER SCHOOLS HAVE DIFFERENT NEEDS IN A COACH.
Unless we are talking about someone like Campbell who is clearly an elite level coach who will win anywhere he goes, these schools won't even be making the same phone calls as Arkansas because they are pursuing other candidates.
Florida will not go after the same coaches on Arkansas's list. So yes, your point is not only irrelevant, it is chicken little like.
Unless we are talking about someone like Campbell who is clearly an elite level coach who will win anywhere he goes, these schools won't even be making the same phone calls as Arkansas because they are pursuing other candidates.
Florida will not go after the same coaches on Arkansas's list. So yes, your point is not only irrelevant, it is chicken little like.
Posted on 10/30/17 at 11:21 am to BoarEd
Hell, let's use Tennessee for example, considering they're the "premier program" you are pointing to who is clearly gonna frick us out of a good coach.
They hired Butch fricking Jones at the same time we hired Bielema. Bielema clearly didn't win here, but there is no denying we pulled a better coach at the time.
Tennessee didn't swoop in and steal our coach. And they won't this time either.
Your entire point here is defeatist and off the mark.
They hired Butch fricking Jones at the same time we hired Bielema. Bielema clearly didn't win here, but there is no denying we pulled a better coach at the time.
Tennessee didn't swoop in and steal our coach. And they won't this time either.
Your entire point here is defeatist and off the mark.
Posted on 10/30/17 at 11:28 am to BoarEd
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You don't seem to understand what I'm saying. OTHER SCHOOLS HAVE DIFFERENT NEEDS IN A COACH.
Maybe that's the problem. I don't put much stock in that statement. Other schools have precisely the same needs as Arkansas. A coach who can win, and be successful in the SEC. Different needs beyond that? Sure. But perennially sucking arse is going to be a deal-breaker, no matter how many of the special needs a certain coach satisfies.
Posted on 10/30/17 at 11:33 am to troyt37
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It's not chicken little, it's being realistic. Name the coaches that Arkansas could hire, that wouldn't take a call from Florida, Tennessee, aTm, Auburn, or LSU. I'll wait.
Again, you’re living in this farcical world where the college football coaching carousel is like a fantasy draft auction. Different schools have different criteria for hiring coaches based on their own set of challenges and strengths that are unique to that university.
Florida’s AD literally said that exact thing in his press conference yesterday when asked about the coaching search.
The idea that there’s this bidding war and corresponding pecking order is complete fallacy with notable exceptions for guys like Urban Meyer and Tom Herman.
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