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Posted on 1/10/13 at 12:31 pm to hawgfaninc
Posted on 1/10/13 at 12:31 pm to hawgfaninc
I will be absolutely shocked if the TE coach does not have some sort of a connection to Arkansas...There are some solid options out there who would meet the criteria. Not sure if they will get a look though.
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Posted on 1/10/13 at 12:54 pm to hawgfaninc
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If true...
:smh:
well it isn't a bad thing for in state recruiting especially with horton and gus gus at Auburn. I'm hoping he gets to pick who he really wants though over playing politics.
Posted on 1/10/13 at 5:00 pm to HomebrewHawg
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Politics are playing a big part in the final addition to the staff.
frick that
Posted on 1/10/13 at 7:00 pm to HomebrewHawg
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I will be absolutely shocked if the TE coach does not have some sort of a connection to Arkansas...There are some solid options out there who would meet the criteria. Not sure if they will get a look though.
Doesn't look like they will as the only two being mentioned are John Bond and Barry Lunney Jr, being Georgia State and Bentonville HS OC has nothing "solid options" about it compared to the rest of the staff hired thus far except the trolling options of selecting either of them over Tim Horton...
Posted on 1/10/13 at 7:03 pm to DaleDenton
Nvm
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Posted on 1/10/13 at 7:06 pm to DaleDenton
It looks like Bond and Pittman worked together at N. Illinois. Might be a solid pick up. I don't know much of anything about him. sms15t mentioned him a couple times in the coaching search thread.
If he's a good coach, can recruit, and believes in the same philosophies I'm good with it. I'm not sure Barry Lunney Jr. is ready to lead a program, but he won't have to. TE is kind of the Jr. position on the staff, would be a spectacular opportunity for him if he's the guy. He's mid-30's so he's in the age range of our young coaches and should have a good network with the HS coaches around the region.
If he's a good coach, can recruit, and believes in the same philosophies I'm good with it. I'm not sure Barry Lunney Jr. is ready to lead a program, but he won't have to. TE is kind of the Jr. position on the staff, would be a spectacular opportunity for him if he's the guy. He's mid-30's so he's in the age range of our young coaches and should have a good network with the HS coaches around the region.
Posted on 1/10/13 at 7:07 pm to HomebrewHawg
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Politics are playing a big part in the final addition to the staff.
True statement
Posted on 1/10/13 at 7:08 pm to CtotheVrzrbck
Bond's dad was a long time coach at Rogers, may still be.
Lunney's dad was a long time coach at FS Southside, now Bentonville.
When this is the main qualifications given for each on the local news...
If there is an Arkansas coach with a son who wants to get into college coaching, an Alumni looking to get into coaching, etc. We have two graduate assistant slots available, that should be enough...
Lunney's dad was a long time coach at FS Southside, now Bentonville.
When this is the main qualifications given for each on the local news...
If there is an Arkansas coach with a son who wants to get into college coaching, an Alumni looking to get into coaching, etc. We have two graduate assistant slots available, that should be enough...
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Posted on 1/10/13 at 8:23 pm to DaleDenton
Yea, isn't GA how you usually break into the college ranks? Unless you have multiple D1 recruits coming out in the same year and have a college coach down the road looking for anything to save his job.
amirite?
amirite?
Posted on 1/10/13 at 8:34 pm to CtotheVrzrbck
GA's have been coaching the TE's for the past 3 years and they turned out pretty good. Lunney isn't some horrible hire like some of you are making it out to be. Its a pretty dang good hire if it happens.
Posted on 1/10/13 at 8:38 pm to beebefootballfan
I didn't say Lunney would be horrible but he needs a better recruit than Tearris Wallace to hitch his wagon to.
I don't really know anything about the guy personally. From what I remember he seemed to be a decent fella, but I always have reservations about the 2nd generation. Those people that walk into jobs or are given passes based upon who their parents are.
I tend to value those that made their own way against the odds a little higher than those who were gifted accomplishments. He could turn out to be really good and learn it as he goes like most people do.
I don't really know anything about the guy personally. From what I remember he seemed to be a decent fella, but I always have reservations about the 2nd generation. Those people that walk into jobs or are given passes based upon who their parents are.
I tend to value those that made their own way against the odds a little higher than those who were gifted accomplishments. He could turn out to be really good and learn it as he goes like most people do.
Posted on 1/10/13 at 8:44 pm to beebefootballfan
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GA's have been coaching the TE's for the past 3 years and they turned out pretty good.
Has it?
Gragg was a WR converted to TE, but he never really lined up on the line and blocked.
DJ was a good TE, but not when it came to line up on the line and blocking.
Our TEs were good WRs.
This has nothing to do with if Bond, who is a decent candidate and is qualified for the position or if Lunney Jr, who did lead us to our first SEC W title followed by a Carquest bowl loss to UNC (IIRC) are qualified or should be hired, it has to do with CBB leaving Wisky because of the AD standing "in his way" when it came to salaries and other matters and now we have people trying to politic to get an "Arkansas boy" hired to his staff?
I don't like the idea of it. Especially when these same people were likely besides themselves getting out of the way making sure Petrino got whatever he wanted including his whore on the payroll...
Posted on 1/10/13 at 8:47 pm to CtotheVrzrbck
Not saying you were and not trying to argue. My point was if a friggin GA can develop Gragg into what he became, Lunney should be able to handle the job just as well. The Lunney's were in beebe for a short time when I was young, and my father n law knows SR and I am pretty sure Jr. has learned quite a bit from his father. I mean its not like he is going to be calling the offense.
Who better to have as the point man for Arkansas High School relations than somebody whose father is one of the most well known coaches in Arkansas.
Who better to have as the point man for Arkansas High School relations than somebody whose father is one of the most well known coaches in Arkansas.
Posted on 1/10/13 at 8:52 pm to beebefootballfan
agreed. I think it could work, but I'm not cool with there being an obvious weak link on the staff.
If Lunney did get the job, I'd be pissed if he made more than $125K his first year.
If Lunney did get the job, I'd be pissed if he made more than $125K his first year.
Posted on 1/10/13 at 9:03 pm to beebefootballfan
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Who better to have as the point man for Arkansas High School relations than somebody whose father is one of the most well known coaches in Arkansas.
Several Texas Universities have tried this with actual head coaches, not OCs, but HCs.
The only two that stand out as successes would be Bryles who like Malzahn is considered to be an offensive "genius" in Texas for using the spread back in 80s and the other would be Chad Morris Clemson's OC.
North Texas hired Todd Dodge thinking it would help build their program, he was a well respected HS coach at Carroll HS, after 3 years and 6 wins and a year as Pitt's QB coach he is now Marble Falls HS coach in Texas, he never got the recruits needed to win in the sunbelt from Texas like they thought he would be able to with the near 500 a year Texas produces...
Posted on 1/11/13 at 7:59 am to DaleDenton
I don't give a shite who it is anymore just hire someone. If we're shopping highschool coaches with connections go grab the best in the state and give him a shot. TE coach is not exactly the most demanding of coaching positions.
Posted on 1/11/13 at 9:51 am to oklahogjr
A GA did TEs under Petrino because he was an offensive coach so he had 5 guys on defense and 4 on offense. Coach B does the opposite.
Lunney has already been a GA at Arkansas, QB & then WR at Tulsa, and then CO-OC/QB at San Jose St under Fitz Hill.
Bond has quite a bit of college experience all over the place.
Neither are the homerun hire that the rest of the staff have been but they would be solid additions.
One more interview will happen today and a final decision should be made no later than Sunday.
Lunney has already been a GA at Arkansas, QB & then WR at Tulsa, and then CO-OC/QB at San Jose St under Fitz Hill.
Bond has quite a bit of college experience all over the place.
Neither are the homerun hire that the rest of the staff have been but they would be solid additions.
One more interview will happen today and a final decision should be made no later than Sunday.
Posted on 1/11/13 at 10:13 am to HomebrewHawg
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Neither are the homerun hire that the rest of the staff have been but they would be solid additions.
I'm not sure there is really a homerun hire at TE coach. I think the auburn fans were saying that in the horton to auburn thread and they are most likely right from what I can tell. Good chance to reduce any negative in state PR from the tim horton to auburn deal though.
Posted on 1/11/13 at 10:43 am to oklahogjr
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I'm not sure there is really a homerun hire at TE coach.
Bob Bostad was our HR TE coach but he declined. Some say it was a thanks but no thanks when the call was made and others say it was close to happening but he decided to stay in the NFL.
Posted on 1/11/13 at 10:47 am to CtotheVrzrbck
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If Lunney did get the job, I'd be pissed if he made more than $125K his first year.
Coach B did something similar to this with his Wisconsin staff. Ben Strickland was a former Badger. He was coaching the DBs with Ash but his main job was to make sure they landed the recruits within the state of Wisconsin. From what I can see he did a decent job at it. He as making in the low $100,000s.
Chaney coached TEs while at Purdue and we have one of the best OLs coaches in college football to help them with blocking. I hate that politics are involved but if he wants to hire someone like Lunney or Bond so be it. From an on the field perspective this will be the least important hire he makes.
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