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re: Ocelot4ark Would Like To Rejoin The Board and To Be A Mod

Posted on 3/12/18 at 4:13 pm to
Posted by ocelot4ark
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Member since Oct 2009
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Posted on 3/12/18 at 4:13 pm to
I won't rehash.

But man - my presence here is just never going to be accepted by certain people. I'm glad they aren't miserable, though.
Posted by Stonehog
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Posted on 3/12/18 at 4:13 pm to
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Why are people so dead-set on policing WHEN other people have the right to post a critique?


Ever heard of context?

I also think the reason people might say you have some kind of disorder is because you contradict yourself so much. You're telling people to just ignore what you say if they don't like it while you write novels about people being mean to you. Maybe practice what you preach? You say you want basketball discussion but all you've talked about for the past three days is...people being mean to you. You say things aren't black and white but then say the way we played defense against Tennessee means Mike is stupid, etc.
Posted by ocelot4ark
Dallas, TX
Member since Oct 2009
12536 posts
Posted on 3/12/18 at 4:36 pm to
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Ever heard of context?



Ever heard of banalities? What am I adding by discussing negative things after a WIN? I get constant grief for posting negative things after a LOSS.

But please - do tell. When is it appropriate to discuss MAs shortcomings? In the past, it's been never. Not once. Not with you. But you have called me a racist and said that I have a mental disorder.

So have you ever heard of context?

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I also think the reason people might say you have some kind of disorder is because you contradict yourself so much. You're telling people to just ignore what you say if they don't like it


I KEEP saying that? Hmmm. Does keep have a different meaning than it used to? And yet - it doesn't have to be either/or.

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while you write novels about people being mean to you.


Hmm maybe I wouldn't do that if not immediately met with character assassinations. How did I respond to the people who discussed BASKETBALL and not my mental health, the value of my life, or who wished me death?

Ever heard of cognitive dissonance?

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You say you want basketball discussion but all you've talked about for the past three days is.


ALL I've talked about? Really? And you can be as mean to me as you want. I have a problem with YOUR meanness (and others) being ignored, while mine are cause for a ban. That's called bias and a double standard. Ever heard of those?

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ou say things aren't black and white but then say the way we played defense against Tennessee means Mike is stupid, etc.


What do I also say? Do I say that it means it can't be fixed? Certain strategies ARE stupid. Do you think it's SMART to get into the bonus with 10+ minutes to play, and then continue to reach in for steals with a ref crew that's not letting them play? Because that happens.

Stupid, IMO, is reading something about ONE ASPECT of how he runs the program and equating that with the entire basis for the loss. Because I never said that, no matter how many times you put words into my mouth.
Posted by Stonehog
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Posted on 3/12/18 at 4:43 pm to
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I KEEP saying that? Hmmm. Does keep have a different meaning than it used to?


Do you see the word KEEP in what you quoted, you psycho?
Posted by ocelot4ark
Dallas, TX
Member since Oct 2009
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Posted on 3/12/18 at 4:46 pm to
Oops. "Contradicting yourself so much." and then you point out something i've done once.

But keep on calling names and ignore the entirety of everything else because that definitely didn't prove my point.
This post was edited on 3/12/18 at 4:49 pm
Posted by Stonehog
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Posted on 3/12/18 at 4:54 pm to
We've done this so many times before. Arkansas wins a bunch of games then lose one and you come out of hiding to post some dumb shite with no regard for context. Everyone calls you dumb and then you post sob novels about people calling you dumb. Just move on man.
Posted by ocelot4ark
Dallas, TX
Member since Oct 2009
12536 posts
Posted on 3/12/18 at 5:04 pm to
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We've done this so many times before. Arkansas wins a bunch of games then lose one and you come out of hiding to post some dumb shite with no regard for context. Everyone calls you dumb and then you post sob novels about people calling you dumb. Just move on man.


Why are you here? For what purpose?

But, also - care to answer?

But please - do tell. When is it appropriate to discuss MAs shortcomings? In the past, it's been never. Not once. Not with you. But you have called me a racist and said that I have a mental disorder.
This post was edited on 3/12/18 at 5:05 pm
Posted by Stonehog
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Posted on 3/12/18 at 5:14 pm to
You can talk about Mike's shortcomings all you want, just don't get so offended when people disagree with you.
Posted by ocelot4ark
Dallas, TX
Member since Oct 2009
12536 posts
Posted on 3/12/18 at 5:20 pm to
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You can talk about Mike's shortcomings all you want, just don't get so offended when people disagree with you.



I don't get offended by actual, topical disagreement, as I've repeatedly proven. Don't insult people because you disagree with their opinion, maybe?

I just want to discuss basketball/sports. I don't expect that everyone will agree with me. But what good is this board if certain opinions aren't welcome without a heavy dose of sanctimony? Is it healthy for the board?

I'll be the bigger man and stop calling you names. Even when you do it to me. It'd be great if you could just allow a conversation to take place without turning it into something it was never meant to be. I'll also apologize, AGAIN (as I've done plenty over the years), for any offense I caused you.
This post was edited on 3/12/18 at 5:21 pm
Posted by Harry Rex Vonner
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Posted on 3/12/18 at 5:28 pm to
just keep posting the beer clank guys and the laughing guy, you'll be fine




edit: and stay away from that damn pothead Rzrbackguy
This post was edited on 3/12/18 at 5:30 pm
Posted by DaleDenton
Member since Jun 2010
43520 posts
Posted on 3/12/18 at 5:34 pm to
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You say you want basketball discussion but all you've talked about for the past three days is...people being mean to you.


Its pointless to discuss/debate with him, his "argument" always devolves into Mike doesn't do what Pop or other NBA coaches do, then when that doesn't go as he planned you are kin to Mike or work for him somehow someway.

He isn't capable of discussing Mike's team in the context of how they are trying to achieve end results.

It is the equivalent of arguing that TOP matters after every loss Chadillac accumulates over the coming season.

Melting down over a meaningless tournament for this team this season, for shame.
Posted by ocelot4ark
Dallas, TX
Member since Oct 2009
12536 posts
Posted on 3/12/18 at 6:18 pm to
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Its pointless to discuss/debate with him, his "argument" always devolves into Mike doesn't do what Pop or other NBA coaches do


So college coaches can't learn anything from the best basketball players/coaches in the world? And that's a complete falsehood and you know it.

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then when that doesn't go as he planned you are kin to Mike or work for him somehow someway.


I apologize for ever suggesting that your lack of a willingness to suggest anything is wrong with MA, while being perfectly willing to suggest the same about our other coaches, may be due to a close personal relationship. Obviously, you don't know the man. Sorry and I hope you can find it in your heart to forgive me.

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He isn't capable of discussing Mike's team in the context of how they are trying to achieve end results.



Or maybe I just think he would have a better chance of achieving the ultimate end result if he would make changes to things that obviously aren't working, or teach his players not to do things that get the whole team in trouble, or to assign playing time to players who will follow his instructions.

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It is the equivalent of arguing that TOP matters after every loss Chadillac accumulates over the coming season.



No - it's the equivalent of arguing that Tim Tebow was a better running back than Darren McFadden because he scored more rushing TD's. A win, or a loss, is not a wholly indicative barometer for future success. Isn't that one of the reasons you watch the games? Do you infer nothing while watching? Do you ever say, "Man - that was awesome, but it's not going to be so easy against KY?"

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Melting down over a meaningless tournament for this team this season, for shame.



Mmmm melt. I like a good patty melt sometimes, but I know it's not good for me. Talking about one element a human being can improve upon, possibly? Nah - that's not a melt. And if it is, sorry you're so triggered by my having a negative opinion on one aspect of a guy's strategy while simultaneously being tempered enough NOT to suggest we fire him. What a melt.
This post was edited on 3/12/18 at 6:19 pm
Posted by ocelot4ark
Dallas, TX
Member since Oct 2009
12536 posts
Posted on 3/12/18 at 6:20 pm to




:MovestoTX:

Posted by cubsfan5150
NWA
Member since Nov 2007
17810 posts
Posted on 3/12/18 at 6:50 pm to
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No - it's the equivalent of arguing that Tim Tebow was a better running back than Darren McFadden because he scored more rushing TD's. A win, or a loss, is not a wholly indicative barometer for future success. Isn't that one of the reasons you watch the games? Do you infer nothing while watching? Do you ever say, "Man - that was awesome, but it's not going to be so easy against KY?"


Actually it's a perfect analogy.

Coaches have their way of doing things.
This post was edited on 3/12/18 at 6:52 pm
Posted by DaleDenton
Member since Jun 2010
43520 posts
Posted on 3/12/18 at 8:34 pm to
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So college coaches can't learn anything from the best basketball players/coaches in the world? And that's a complete falsehood and you know it.


The NBA isn't filled with the best coaches in the world, it is a completely different skill set required for the job anyway, you talking more about managing a roster given to you by the GM not having to assemble your own roster via recruiting while managing your franchise/program.

Avery Johnson took the Mavs to the finals, yet his winning percentage in the same SEC as Mike Anderson has been 55.4% overall, 48.1% in the SEC.

Mike Anderson has won 64% of his games at Arkansas overall, 56.5% of his SEC games.

Had Coach K not decided to step down the National Team would still be coached by a college coach...

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Or maybe I just think he would have a better chance of achieving the ultimate end result if he would make changes to things that obviously aren't working, or teach his players not to do things that get the whole team in trouble, or to assign playing time to players who will follow his instructions.


What isn't working? Arkansas has been one of the top 2 SEC teams the past few years. I'm not interested in your hyperboles created in situations that suit your already formed opinion in order to say "see told you so, I've been right all along". Where was this need for change being called for after the Florida game?

The team was gassed after their 3rd game in 3 days, the reason for this is a completely separate argument based on a moot point. The NCAA tournament format doesn't even require 2 games in 2 days let alone three. What I did see in the Tennessee game was a team playing like it actually meant something to beat Arkansas, that isn't something the program has seen in a long damn time. Your argument on the face of it says to be hinged on the defensive play of Mike's teams, reality is you do not like his philosophy as a whole, so the rotation break downs they didn't suffer in the Florida game was prevalent in the Tennessee game, Tennessee also hit shots with a player with a hand in their face, so even with good sound defensive play they still hit the shots, it happens.

Assigning player specific amount of minutes per games and having a defined rotation of players isn't Mike's philosophy and never will be, it isn't his problem you have a problem with this philosophy. There is not data to prove Mike's philosophy is not sound in this manner just as there isn't data that was say any other philosophy isn't sound.

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No - it's the equivalent of arguing that Tim Tebow was a better running back than Darren McFadden because he scored more rushing TD's.


No it isn't.

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Mmmm melt. I like a good patty melt sometimes, but I know it's not good for me. Talking about one element a human being can improve upon, possibly? Nah - that's not a melt. And if it is, sorry you're so triggered by my having a negative opinion on one aspect of a guy's strategy while simultaneously being tempered enough NOT to suggest we fire him. What a melt.


I'm not triggered, I watched the game, they lost, I went about my day.
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