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re: I don’t understand all the love for Kiffin

Posted on 12/4/19 at 5:54 pm to
Posted by BoarEd
The Hills
Member since Oct 2015
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Posted on 12/4/19 at 5:54 pm to
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There’s reasons to not hiring him that I’d be okay with but if your reasoning is just that you think he’s a bad coach your flat out wrong


1. I don't give a frick what you're okay with. Everyone here is entitled to their opinion without being told to "sit down and shut up" or whatever it is you said.

2. I don't think he's a bad coach anyways. I just think we can do better.
Posted by BadPiggy
NW Arkansas
Member since Jan 2015
533 posts
Posted on 12/4/19 at 6:01 pm to
FWIW, I think Leach is good at what he does, just not convinced that it would work so well against SEC defenses. I also feel like he may be looking for a Payday before retirement. Not is his recruiting reassuring.


However, the thing I think that bother me the most about Leach is that I feel/think it would simply take too long even if it would work otherwise. Even in the weak conferences of the PAC and whatever the hell name that one Texas poisons, it took several years for tangable results to show on the record. I just don't believe the short sighted among us, won't be in revolt before the second year is out. So I believe you need some with some charisma for recruiting and to manage the fans. This is what is happening with Mussellman. For that, I think there are better choices.

JMHO
Posted by Pygthagorean Theorem
Member since Aug 2015
8084 posts
Posted on 12/4/19 at 6:07 pm to
Opinion: Time is right for an SEC team to hop on the Lane Kiffin train

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With the focus of the coaching world largely on the three open jobs in the Southeastern Conference, a huge question looms over the next handful of days: Is one of these schools getting ready to jump on the Lane Train?

Once reviled by SEC fans, fired by Nick Saban and frequently admonished by the late SEC commissioner Mike Slive, it feels increasingly as if Florida Atlantic coach Lane Kiffin could be destined to make his triumphant return after the Owls play in Saturday’s Conference USA championship game. And for those of us who enjoy Kiffin’s willingness to shake up the staid status quo, it can't happen a moment too soon.

After three years outside the spotlight, having to prove himself all over again, it’s time to bring Kiffin back to the big time. The only issue is whether any of these schools — Arkansas, most likely — will have the institutional fortitude to make a hire that is going to rock the boat in ways that are both thrilling and potentially embarrassing.
Lane Kiffin has a 25-13 record as head coach of Florida Atlantic.

Because that’s exactly what you’re going to get with Kiffin — everything from the kind of national attention your program couldn’t buy to the can’t-miss plays that will inspire him to raise his arms before the ball is even thrown to the tweets that will draw fines from the conference. You get all of it with Kiffin. And at some point this year, the question has gone from whether he’s worth the gamble to whether a school in as dire straits as Arkansas can afford to pass him by.

Arkansas athletic director Hunter Yurachek, his deputy Jon Fagg and former Arkansas football player/Board of Trustees member Steve Cox all were in Boca Raton on Sunday to meet with Kiffin, according to two people with knowledge of the situation who spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitive nature of the discussions.

After that, Arkansas continued conducting interviews with several more candidates on a list that includes Washington State’s Mike Leach and Tulane’s Willie Fritz, according to two other people with knowledge of Arkansas' search plans who spoke on the condition of anonymity because they weren’t authorized to publicly speak.

But due to the urgency inherent in college football’s early recruiting period, Arkansas is expected to be ready to go by the weekend — and particularly if the choice is Kiffin, who wouldn’t be in position to accept the job until after the C-USA championship game against UAB.

According to a person close to Kiffin, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because they weren’t authorized to talk on his behalf, he’s intrigued by the possibilities at Arkansas and feels confident he could put together a top-notch staff.

Given what has happened at Arkansas the past few years, with the program on a 17-game SEC losing streak and getting beaten at home by the likes of San Jose State and Western Kentucky last season, there are few if any available coaches with the recruiting bona fides of Kiffin to turn over the roster quickly, get the attention of top prospects and infuse the program with SEC-level talent in a short period of time.

At the same time, it wouldn’t be shocking if there were some reservations on the part of the Arkansas administration. As one athletics director put it, if you hire Kiffin and he implodes, you can’t say you never saw it coming.

Because with Kiffin, you’re talking about a guy who has basically been a lightning rod for more than a decade and shown no desire to be anything else.

At Tennessee, his program’s aggressive recruiting tactics not only rankled his colleagues but also brushed up against the NCAA rulebook with impermissible phone calls and sending members of the recruiting hostess program out to visit high school players. (Kiffin wasn’t sanctioned individually by the NCAA.)

At USC, where he had some initial success, his program was fined $25,000 and reprimanded by the Pac-12 for deflating footballs before a game against Oregon — yes, the original “Deflategate.” Five games into his fourth season with the Trojans, he was famously fired on the tarmac heading home from Arizona State.

And then after three years of image rehab at Alabama, where he helped bring the Crimson Tide's offense into the modern era and did amazing work by winning an SEC title with Blake Sims at quarterback and a national championship with Jake Coker, Saban booted him a week before the national title game in 2017. Though neither have really discussed the specifics, it was clear Saban wasn't happy with Kiffin's focus as he tried to finish the season with Alabama while also trying to put together a staff at Florida Atlantic.

At that particular time, Kiffin was still considered pretty untouchable by major programs. The only other real interview he had that year was with Houston — coincidentally, Arkansas’ Yurachek was the Cougars’ athletics director at the time — and lost out on that job to Major Applewhite.

But time and success changes a lot of preconceived notions, particularly in a coaching market that isn’t exactly teeming with high-profile prospects. There are a lot of solid coaches out there that a program like Arkansas could hire from Fritz to Louisiana-Lafayette’s Billy Napier to Louisiana Tech’s Skip Holtz. But none of them are going to create the kind of buzz and have the upside of Kiffin, who could win his second C-USA title in three years this weekend.

It’s fairly remarkable to think that Kiffin, even as long as he’s been around the college football zeitgeist, is only 44 years old and still not necessarily in the prime of his career.

Is it a risk for Arkansas to hand the keys to someone as unpredictable as Kiffin, who is prone to wandering off the reservation at times and tweeting a meme about blind refs after a game? Sure it is. But if you’re Arkansas and you haven’t been relevant at all for most of this decade, what do you really have to lose?
This post was edited on 12/4/19 at 6:09 pm
Posted by arkiebrian
NWA
Member since Nov 2006
4167 posts
Posted on 12/4/19 at 6:07 pm to
With Leach you can guarantee you’ll have a top-notch QB year in and year out. Just that gets you a win or two you wouldn’t get. Now get a great staff around him, like he has never had, and you’ve got a formidable team. Schools that have had Leach so far threw all their money at him not leaving much to fill out the staff. Someone will do it and I hope it is us. Give him the $5-$6 million someone will. It’s been too damn long that the Hogs have been in the dumps.
Posted by BoarEd
The Hills
Member since Oct 2015
38862 posts
Posted on 12/4/19 at 6:32 pm to
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But none of them are going to create the kind of buzz and have the upside of Kiffin, who could win his second C-USA title in three years this weekend.


How many of these has Mike Leach got in how many years?

0-18? Maybe 1?

If the choice is between Leach or Kiffin it isn't a difficult decision, IMO.
Posted by rockiee
Sugar Land, TX
Member since Jan 2015
28553 posts
Posted on 12/4/19 at 6:33 pm to
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How many of these has Mike Leach got in how many years?


C-USA titles? Zero
Posted by BoarEd
The Hills
Member since Oct 2015
38862 posts
Posted on 12/4/19 at 6:36 pm to
Conference titles - period.
Posted by Razorback Reverend
Member since Dec 2013
24005 posts
Posted on 12/4/19 at 6:40 pm to
Posted by rockiee
Sugar Land, TX
Member since Jan 2015
28553 posts
Posted on 12/4/19 at 6:42 pm to
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Conference titles - period.


One conference is much easier to win than the other so not sure that really proves anything

But this goes back to my point about the floor isn't the issue with Leach
This post was edited on 12/4/19 at 6:43 pm
Posted by Razorback Reverend
Member since Dec 2013
24005 posts
Posted on 12/4/19 at 6:42 pm to
Ohhh Lawd….

from the coaches board

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Arkansas is getting Kiffin. PRJ
Posted by BoarEd
The Hills
Member since Oct 2015
38862 posts
Posted on 12/4/19 at 6:44 pm to
PAC12 weak AF.
Posted by rockiee
Sugar Land, TX
Member since Jan 2015
28553 posts
Posted on 12/4/19 at 6:50 pm to
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PAC12 weak AF.


And Pac12 > USA

There are legit reasons to criticize Leach but the fact he didn't win the PAC 12 at Washington St isn't one of them. He did make the championship game one year though and had a shared title at Tech which was with two very good Oklahoma and Texas teams.
Posted by BoarEd
The Hills
Member since Oct 2015
38862 posts
Posted on 12/4/19 at 6:51 pm to
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There are legit reasons to criticize Leach but the fact he didn't win the PAC 12 at Washington St isn't one of them.


In your opinion.
Posted by rockiee
Sugar Land, TX
Member since Jan 2015
28553 posts
Posted on 12/4/19 at 6:55 pm to
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In your opinion.




I'm glad you pointed that out. If it wasn't clear people applying their thoughts on coaches wasn't an opinion. We should all make sure to add IMO after ever post.
Posted by dbeck
Member since Nov 2014
29454 posts
Posted on 12/4/19 at 7:01 pm to
Reminds me of one time a guy at work said "You always think your opinions are right!"

I said "that's what makes it an opinion. Am I supposed to hold beliefs that I think are wrong? What the frick is wrong with you?"
Posted by BoarEd
The Hills
Member since Oct 2015
38862 posts
Posted on 12/4/19 at 7:02 pm to
I'm glad you pointed that out.

You're welcome.

And you're right. This is a bunch of guys/gals throwing around their opinions. They should be stated as such, IMO. Otherwise it comes across as if Rockiee (or whoever) has the authority on opinions being valid or invalid.

You know this. You're a lawyer. Let's try and stick with sound reasoning if we are going to nitpick others opinions? Nah, frick it.

I think that people who want Mike Leach above all others are morons. Let's just go that route instead.
Posted by HogFanfromHTown
Dallas, TX
Member since Sep 2015
3597 posts
Posted on 12/4/19 at 7:19 pm to
quote:

just not convinced that it would work so well against SEC defenses. I also feel like he may be looking for a Payday before retirement. Not is his recruiting reassuring.

fair enough
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it took several years for tangable results
This isn't accurate, Mike Leach made a bowl every year at Texas Tech and he made it in year 2 with Wazzu and while he took a step back in year 3 he's been bowling ever since. However, if he went 3-9 in year 3 after making a bowl in year 2 I'd agree our fanbase would be rabidly against him, so point taken.
Posted by rockiee
Sugar Land, TX
Member since Jan 2015
28553 posts
Posted on 12/4/19 at 7:35 pm to
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Otherwise it comes across as if Rockiee (or whoever) has the authority on opinions being valid or invalid.


Eh, not really sure how it could be interpreted that way from what I said. I could understand if I threw some type of insult out there but I rarely ever do that, especially on this board.

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You know this. You're a lawyer.


Don't Dox me

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Let's try and stick with sound reasoning if we are going to nitpick others opinions?


I do and I still feel I did

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I think that people who want Mike Leach above all others are morons. Let's just go that route instead.


You could go that route but it wouldn't apply to me anyway. Hell, there is a decent chance Leach is higher on your list than mine.
Posted by rockiee
Sugar Land, TX
Member since Jan 2015
28553 posts
Posted on 12/4/19 at 7:37 pm to
quote:


Reminds me of one time a guy at work said "You always think your opinions are right!"

I said "that's what makes it an opinion. Am I supposed to hold beliefs that I think are wrong? What the frick is wrong with you?"


It is kind of a strange remark. I will sometimes add "IMO" after my post but mainly it is when I might be wavering on a subject and don't feel very strongly about it. I don't use "IMO" if I feel strongly about something, even if it is still an opinion.
Posted by BoarEd
The Hills
Member since Oct 2015
38862 posts
Posted on 12/4/19 at 7:38 pm to


My last comment was snarky. Apologies. I was more upset about being told to sit down and shut up before that.
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