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Posted on 1/13/25 at 4:36 pm to
Posted by HAWGWALLOP
Rogers
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Posted on 1/13/25 at 4:36 pm to
No
Posted by UltimateHog
Oregon
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Posted on 1/13/25 at 5:17 pm to
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And will still continue to beat the shite out of their conference for playoff appearances, which is the goal. Not pretty signing day classes.


Kind of goes hand in hand. But they don't dodge Clemson and Miami next year like this year, so not such a cake schedule either getting both of those teams. '24 will be his best year there largely due to schedule.

But the post claims they have some loaded ungodly NIL fund and that does not appear to be the case as they are not getting top recruits or transfers to the tune of 30+ in the nation and 5th-6th in their own bad conference (behind Duke is insane to then claim some rich loaded NIL budget).
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What you did not point out was that their recruiting class ranks 5th within their conference


I did, I listed it was behind Duke in their own conference which is flat out bad.

You're never going to win anything recruiting like that, just not gonna happen. Might be enough to lose the ACC title game and get blown out in the playoffs but you are not a real threat to win anything. That and kids just don't want to go to SMU, the name recognition isn't there and if the money is the same or close you're going to a bigger more known school with better facilities and full big stadiums.

All the reasons why Lashlee will be at an LSU/UF/OU type of school in a year.
This post was edited on 1/13/25 at 5:27 pm
Posted by UltimateHog
Oregon
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Posted on 1/13/25 at 5:22 pm to
SMU is a nobody, he's gone as soon as a big school offers a solid contract. As long as he still has a solid season next year he will be in line for some very good jobs.

I still think OU is the perfect fit for him if/when Venables tanks again and is fired next year.
Posted by Drewbie
tFlagship
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Posted on 1/13/25 at 5:26 pm to
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Kind of goes hand in hand.
Arizona State had the 48th ranked recruiting class last year.

SMU was 57th.

Boise State was 64th.

Indiana was 65th.

All were playoff teams. Two were conference champions.
Posted by UltimateHog
Oregon
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Posted on 1/13/25 at 5:27 pm to
Yes having the benefit of a weak schedule every few years on rotation can get you somewhere you don't belong.

Zero of those teams were title contenders but moral victories for those types of schools are still a big deal.
This post was edited on 1/13/25 at 5:28 pm
Posted by Drewbie
tFlagship
Member since Jun 2012
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Posted on 1/13/25 at 5:35 pm to
Which scenario do you think a coach would rather be in? Recruiting strength is relative to who you have to play on a yearly basis. It doesn't matter if you're 31st in the country if that's good enough to have you pecking at the top of your conference and in position to consistently win more games than you lose.

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Zero of those teams were title contenders
Literally no one has called SMU a title contender.

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moral victories for those types of schools
Those schools have actual victories and actual playoff appearances. We're the ones grasping to moral victories by saying we recruit better while being a doormat.
Posted by UltimateHog
Oregon
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 1/13/25 at 5:36 pm to
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Which scenario do you think a coach would rather be in?


One where he can win a title.

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playoff appearances


This is a moral victory.
Posted by Drewbie
tFlagship
Member since Jun 2012
62400 posts
Posted on 1/13/25 at 5:41 pm to
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One where he can win a title.
Which is closer to this goal, a program with a decent shot at auto qualifying for the tournament annually, or a program that consistently ranks below 80% of their schedule in recruiting and talent composite?
Posted by UltimateHog
Oregon
Member since Dec 2011
67720 posts
Posted on 1/13/25 at 5:43 pm to
Any school that can get talent to win one, something SMU nor Arkansas can do. Or Indiana. Or Boise.
Posted by Drewbie
tFlagship
Member since Jun 2012
62400 posts
Posted on 1/13/25 at 5:45 pm to
Which program is more likely to attract more investment to accumulate said talent, the program making the playoffs, or the program struggling to stay above .500?
Posted by UltimateHog
Oregon
Member since Dec 2011
67720 posts
Posted on 1/13/25 at 5:47 pm to
Not SMU as evidenced in this thread.
Posted by Arksulli
Fayetteville
Member since Aug 2014
26187 posts
Posted on 1/13/25 at 5:48 pm to
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I am just not buying all of the SMU apologetics in its current form


I'm not an apologist, I'm a realist. He's in a good nest. You're going to have to break the bank to get him to sniff an offer. I don't think, currently, that Arkansas is willing to splash the cash on him.

Who cares if the SEC is a better conference? This is business. If SMU is shelling out the big bucks he's not leaving for Alabama unless they are willing to throw more money at him.

The fact of the matter is that with our low NIL and apathetic fan base we're going to have to pay above market rate for a really good coach. Is anyone in the AD's office making that pitch now?
Posted by Drewbie
tFlagship
Member since Jun 2012
62400 posts
Posted on 1/13/25 at 5:49 pm to
Going from the 57th ranked class to 31st in one year isn't an indication of increased investment? Interesting.

I'll leave you alone now. I know you'll never engage in a straightforward conversation. I just enjoy watching you dance around obvious lines of logic.
Posted by UltimateHog
Oregon
Member since Dec 2011
67720 posts
Posted on 1/13/25 at 5:50 pm to
No, SMU has no shot at a natty. Nor Indiana.

You're not very bright.
Posted by Drewbie
tFlagship
Member since Jun 2012
62400 posts
Posted on 1/13/25 at 5:52 pm to
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SMU has no shot at a natty.
Was literally never the point anyone was asserting.

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You're not very bright.
Whatever you say.
Posted by UltimateHog
Oregon
Member since Dec 2011
67720 posts
Posted on 1/13/25 at 5:52 pm to
I don't think anyone realistically thinks Lashlee is coming here. He's above us now as many have said many times.
Posted by UltimateHog
Oregon
Member since Dec 2011
67720 posts
Posted on 1/13/25 at 5:54 pm to
Right the topic was SMU NIL budget and then you went on some weird tangent and blanket statements that made no sense.
Posted by Drewbie
tFlagship
Member since Jun 2012
62400 posts
Posted on 1/13/25 at 5:55 pm to
The topic was Rhett leaving SMU to come here, but go off queen.
Posted by UltimateHog
Oregon
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67720 posts
Posted on 1/13/25 at 5:57 pm to
You should what you reply to then before you reply.
Posted by Drewbie
tFlagship
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62400 posts
Posted on 1/13/25 at 5:57 pm to
You should read what you type before you hit submit.
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