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Posted on 12/29/15 at 6:16 pm to beebefootballfan
Posted on 12/29/15 at 6:16 pm to beebefootballfan
That's good to hear.
Saban made a run at Jones in Smackover and he stood firm to Hogs. Now Hammond.
Saban made a run at Jones in Smackover and he stood firm to Hogs. Now Hammond.
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Posted on 12/29/15 at 6:42 pm to Hawgeye
Posted on 12/29/15 at 11:58 pm to hawgfaninc
Allen Cater getting CB'd to South Carolina. 
That'll make 3 in basically a week that Muschamp and Trob have outworked us for.
That'll make 3 in basically a week that Muschamp and Trob have outworked us for.
Posted on 12/30/15 at 12:22 am to CtotheVrzrbck
Pollard is looking like 4 to them
Posted on 12/30/15 at 12:29 am to RazorHawg
This is why I wish we wouldn't waste our time in Georgia. It's too hard to keep those kids when the local schools come calling.
Posted on 12/30/15 at 1:57 am to RazorHawg
Posted on 12/30/15 at 4:46 am to CtotheVrzrbck
Bryan McClendon will be making the impact in Georgia.
Posted on 12/30/15 at 6:38 am to RazorHawg
and Bert keeps hiring guys without SEC experience. Ol' Rory is getting his dick ground in the dirt in Georgia the last few weeks. We've not had a shot at an Alabama kid in Bert's entire coaching term here.
Michael Smith's been doing work in Louisiana but everyone else has been getting it handed to them outside of the state lines.
Michael Smith's been doing work in Louisiana but everyone else has been getting it handed to them outside of the state lines.
Posted on 12/30/15 at 7:07 am to CtotheVrzrbck
The SEC experience would be helpful but the key is.... can't have a staff of no-name recruiters at Arkansas. It's hard enough as is to recruit here. He values coaching and teaching more than recruiting ability it would seem. Say what you want about TXHS entitlement problems and maxed out potential but our inability to get numbers from Texas for this long stretch of like 5-7 years is annoying at the least.
CMU, OK State, K State, vacant, Bentonville High, Bucs/Rutgers, Samford, Houston, TCU
CMU, OK State, K State, vacant, Bentonville High, Bucs/Rutgers, Samford, Houston, TCU
Posted on 12/30/15 at 7:47 am to RazorHawg
You pretty much said what the paragraph I deleted before submitting was about.
There's a war going on in the SEC to get the best recruiters on staffs and we're not participating in it. The reasons are unbeknownst to me.
Bert isn't even taking swings at the best players. It's either an ego thing or a self-conscious thing and it reminds me of Nolan's mindset in his last couple years. Our hoops program started its slide when Nolan refused to adapt the slightest, he stopped going after the top shelf recruits, hit the juco's harder, and said he'd win with guys he'd develop for his system.
I see a lot of the same mentality in Bielema. Bert has said he loves nothing more than taking an under the radar guy and developing him. The hit rate on those types is nowhere near as high as taking highly skilled and elite athletes and getting production out of them.
We've got 20+ years of watching how to win this conference and Bert's favored approach isn't how anyone has ever won the SEC. The most talented teams always seem to be the ones in the fight at the end.
It almost feels like we're tied down to train tracks and see the train coming and the guy that can switch the tracks to save us has his beats by dre headphones on blissfully unaware.
There's a war going on in the SEC to get the best recruiters on staffs and we're not participating in it. The reasons are unbeknownst to me.
Bert isn't even taking swings at the best players. It's either an ego thing or a self-conscious thing and it reminds me of Nolan's mindset in his last couple years. Our hoops program started its slide when Nolan refused to adapt the slightest, he stopped going after the top shelf recruits, hit the juco's harder, and said he'd win with guys he'd develop for his system.
I see a lot of the same mentality in Bielema. Bert has said he loves nothing more than taking an under the radar guy and developing him. The hit rate on those types is nowhere near as high as taking highly skilled and elite athletes and getting production out of them.
We've got 20+ years of watching how to win this conference and Bert's favored approach isn't how anyone has ever won the SEC. The most talented teams always seem to be the ones in the fight at the end.
It almost feels like we're tied down to train tracks and see the train coming and the guy that can switch the tracks to save us has his beats by dre headphones on blissfully unaware.
Posted on 12/30/15 at 9:11 am to CtotheVrzrbck
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Bert isn't even taking swings at the best players.
They've offered at least 157 players in this class. They take a lot of swings but don't connect.
Posted on 12/30/15 at 9:22 am to TheCheshireHog
We are taking tons of swings at the top players in the region but little success or interest compared to other schools.
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Posted on 12/30/15 at 10:00 am to RazorHawg
Opening a can of worms... but when have we EVER loaded up on 4 stars, much less 5 stars.
Recruiting seems to be going the way it pretty much always has at Arkansas.
Not saying it couldn't change, or doesn't need to change.
It appears we are getting SOME interest from some highly rated players, but our average for closing on them is not really good.
I would really like to see us close with White, Whaley, Porter, Fulton, etc. but know the odds aren't great.
For now though, our MO is basically the same: Get the players from Arkansas that can help us, hope some of them overachieve, pick up what we can from Texas, get a top 50 or two from Louisiana, Find a player or two in Missouri, maybe a top 100 player or two from Florida, a JUCO or two that maybe can help... coach them all up and hope it's enough.
Recruiting seems to be going the way it pretty much always has at Arkansas.
Not saying it couldn't change, or doesn't need to change.
It appears we are getting SOME interest from some highly rated players, but our average for closing on them is not really good.
I would really like to see us close with White, Whaley, Porter, Fulton, etc. but know the odds aren't great.
For now though, our MO is basically the same: Get the players from Arkansas that can help us, hope some of them overachieve, pick up what we can from Texas, get a top 50 or two from Louisiana, Find a player or two in Missouri, maybe a top 100 player or two from Florida, a JUCO or two that maybe can help... coach them all up and hope it's enough.
Posted on 12/30/15 at 10:10 am to RazorHawg
We can only take 20-25 recruits
We can't recruit all the recruits we offer the same
Bielema recruits a lot based on a recruits character
Star lovers can't stand Bielema's recruiting
Even though we're getting more stars than we ever have
I guess people just like to bitch because, like the fat kid with cake, they want more stars
We can't recruit all the recruits we offer the same
Bielema recruits a lot based on a recruits character
Star lovers can't stand Bielema's recruiting
Even though we're getting more stars than we ever have
I guess people just like to bitch because, like the fat kid with cake, they want more stars
Posted on 12/30/15 at 10:10 am to TheCheshireHog
Typical CV spewing bullshite.
Posted on 12/30/15 at 10:31 am to hawgfaninc
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We can only take 20-25 recruits
We can't recruit all the recruits we offer the same
Bielema recruits a lot based on a recruits character
Star lovers can't stand Bielema's recruiting
Even though we're getting more stars than we ever have
I guess people just like to bitch because, like the fat kid with cake, they want more stars
Most people seem to bitch because the competition in the SEC-West "out recruit" us based on the recruiting sites.
The performance in the games the past two years have shown that Bert's recruiting isn't far behind if at all than the competition's higher ranked classes.
LSU's consistent top 10 classes haven't guaranteed wins for them, Bama's top 5 classes have proved to provided an advantage so great that Bert and the team can't overcome, in fact the gap in the games between Arkansas and Bama have been narrowed to pre-saban levels, Arkansas should of/could of won the last two meetings after being blown out by Bama all but once since 2008, Saban's 2nd year.
LSU and Auburn's top 5 classes have proved to be no advantage for them. OM's top 15 classes the same.
The rest of the bitching seems to stem from the belief many carry that Texas is some vital key to Arkansas's success, I guess is based on all the teams mired in mediocrity that do live off of Texas recruiting. OU was slipping into this mediocrity before they changed their recruiting strategy to rely on talent found outside of Texas.
My biggest complaint with Bert would be his unwillingness to cull the weak to insure max signing classes every year, however, if he is keeping these guys on scholly because they are going to class and will graduate than that is fine for the short term as Petrino had the program on the fast track to APR sanctions and post season bans and this a situation that takes time to correct, but isn't a huge factor due to the numbers calculating the score like in basketball.
His tenure here will come down to on field results, not off the field shenanigans like prior coaches. Best to let him hire who he wants, recruit who he wants, and either earn contract extensions or an opportunity to coach some where else after being fired by doing it his way than force him to hire someone he doesn't want and recruit and sign players he wants no part of.
Posted on 12/30/15 at 10:55 am to DaleDenton
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recruit who he wants
I don't think anyone believes Bert isn't interested in the elite talent around the country. He just hasn't done a great job of pulling those types of talent into the program. And that's not say he's done any worse than our previous coaches at that. It is what it is.
Posted on 12/30/15 at 10:58 am to DaleDenton
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LSU and Auburn's top 5 classes have proved to be no advantage for them. OM's top 15 classes the same.
To be fair OM was one play away from playing in the SEC title game and are playing in the Sugar Bowl.
I think what's frustrating is that a school like OM, who I feel is inferior to AR, landed 3 NFL first rounders and we haven't even been able to land one.
It's only going to help them moving forward when they can show those results to recruits, case in point being this year.
Posted on 12/30/15 at 11:12 am to ocelot4ark
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I don't think anyone believes Bert isn't interested in the elite talent around the country. He just hasn't done a great job of pulling those types of talent into the program.
For the biggest part, elite talent wants to play at elite programs. Let's face it, we are not an 'elite' program. Yet.
Maybe CBB can get us there. The program is moving forward so far. It's a hard climb to get to 'elite'.
Posted on 12/30/15 at 11:13 am to boogiewoogie1978
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To be fair OM was one play away from playing in the SEC title game and are playing in the Sugar Bowl.
To be fair that has nothing to do with what I was talking about.
They have 3 NFL first rounders who have lost two years straight to Arkansas.
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