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Posted on 4/9/19 at 11:49 pm to CrimsonFever
Posted on 4/9/19 at 11:49 pm to CrimsonFever
Watford has great length, but he's not a banger that will do most of his work inside the paint. You can watch all of his youtube highlights and see that. Adding a bunch of guys that can shoot the 3 and stretch the floor is great, but I think some of you guys are forgetting that if we shoot a high volume of outside shots, we're going to miss a lot. Who is going to replace the rim protection & 9 boards a game that we lost with Hall?
Let's say we start next year with Watford, Reese, Hawkins, & Galin as our frontcourt. Reese is not a superb rebounder or shot blocker and really he & Watford are natural 4's. Galin can box out, but he doesn't get up and grab a lot of boards. And Hawkins, we just don't know enough about yet. Maybe he'll be a force, but I can't say.
I still think we need to add a junkyard dog type of guy. He doesn't have to be a sharp shooter, just somebody that will work his but off in the post, fight for some rebounds, and block the occasional shot or two. I would love another Chris Hines or Bola on this team.
Let's say we start next year with Watford, Reese, Hawkins, & Galin as our frontcourt. Reese is not a superb rebounder or shot blocker and really he & Watford are natural 4's. Galin can box out, but he doesn't get up and grab a lot of boards. And Hawkins, we just don't know enough about yet. Maybe he'll be a force, but I can't say.
I still think we need to add a junkyard dog type of guy. He doesn't have to be a sharp shooter, just somebody that will work his but off in the post, fight for some rebounds, and block the occasional shot or two. I would love another Chris Hines or Bola on this team.
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Posted on 4/10/19 at 12:07 am to T Dogg89
Rojas and Allen are both smaller than Watford, so if you’re saying Watford isn’t a big man then they for sure are not.
Watford - 6’9 230
Hawkins - 6’8 225
James Rojas - 6’8 215
Andre Allen - 6’9 210
Posted on 4/10/19 at 12:08 am to T Dogg89
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still think we need to add a junkyard dog type of guy. He doesn't have to be a sharp shooter, just somebody that will work his but off in the post, fight for some rebounds, and block the occasional shot or two. I would love another Chris Hines or Bola on this team.
Sounds more like a Fleming or Galin Smith type.
Posted on 4/10/19 at 12:23 am to CrimsonFever
Yall are so quick to throw away our bigs that wr have because you guys habe in your mind a big that can shoot. Well they arent just growing on trees. Has to be able to rebound and do things other than shoot as well.
Posted on 4/10/19 at 12:23 am to Tide or Die87
Oh yea would love to have DJ Harvey.
Posted on 4/10/19 at 12:32 am to CrimsonFever
Height doesn't determine what type of player you are. Kristaps Porzingis is 7'3 and lives on the 3 point line and has a career average of 7.1 rebounds per game. Compare that to Dennis Rodman who is only 6'7 and is all-time great rebounder. Being tall doesn't necessarily mean you can bang inside, and conversely being undersized doesn't mean you can't get after it on the boards
And Galin Smith hasn't shown that he can be the type guy I'm describing. Maybe he'll develop into something closer to that, but right now if you think he's a Chris Hines or Bola type player, than I don't know what to tell you. And we haven't seen anything from Fleming so we can't describe him at all.
And Galin Smith hasn't shown that he can be the type guy I'm describing. Maybe he'll develop into something closer to that, but right now if you think he's a Chris Hines or Bola type player, than I don't know what to tell you. And we haven't seen anything from Fleming so we can't describe him at all.
Posted on 4/10/19 at 12:33 am to pvilleguru
We did the same thing on every team I’ve played on and that includes college ball. 70 minute practices does seem way short. Doubt that included weight training, film study and shooting. I guess it could be done, but I doubt Avery’s teams were that organized or efficient.
In the end Avery failed at the details. Practice details included. Do y’all remember the mic’d up game early on in the Sexton year? Avery calls a TO right before the half to draw up a play. The opposing team switched man to zone (or vice versa). Avery insisted on running the play and then said afterwards that the team should have told him that the defense had changed. That was a major detail that he completely whiffed on. Seems like this same lack of focus permeated through the entire program.
In the end Avery failed at the details. Practice details included. Do y’all remember the mic’d up game early on in the Sexton year? Avery calls a TO right before the half to draw up a play. The opposing team switched man to zone (or vice versa). Avery insisted on running the play and then said afterwards that the team should have told him that the defense had changed. That was a major detail that he completely whiffed on. Seems like this same lack of focus permeated through the entire program.
This post was edited on 4/10/19 at 12:56 am
Posted on 4/10/19 at 12:35 am to Tide or Die87
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Yall are so quick to throw away our bigs that wr have because you guys habe in your mind a big that can shoot. Well they arent just growing on trees. Has to be able to rebound and do things other than shoot as well.
Exactly right, my man
Posted on 4/10/19 at 12:52 am to T Dogg89
Ya’ll did see where Oats said he already thinks we have too many big men right?
Anyway I digress.
This is Nick Perkins, he was Oats’ big man at Buffalo the last few years. 6’8 250 and can shoot. Built a little bit like Galin Smith but cam shoot.
Nick Perkins highlighys
Anyway I digress.
This is Nick Perkins, he was Oats’ big man at Buffalo the last few years. 6’8 250 and can shoot. Built a little bit like Galin Smith but cam shoot.
Nick Perkins highlighys
This post was edited on 4/10/19 at 12:54 am
Posted on 4/10/19 at 1:01 am to Tide or Die87
How much eligibility does Harvey have?
Posted on 4/10/19 at 1:22 am to CrimsonFever
Yes, we do have too many bigs that don't fit his system. Hopefully we'll bring in one or two more that do.
But yeah, the Perkins kid has a really nice game. It's too bad he doesn't have another year of eligibility left and Oats could have brought him over with him. Maybe one of the JUCO guys he was/is recruiting resembles that somewhat.
But yeah, the Perkins kid has a really nice game. It's too bad he doesn't have another year of eligibility left and Oats could have brought him over with him. Maybe one of the JUCO guys he was/is recruiting resembles that somewhat.
Posted on 4/10/19 at 1:39 am to CrimsonFever
How many minutes do we expect the extra big man to play? I just don’t see the point in adiosing one guy and adding another when they might not even average 5 minutes per game. That goes for Smith, Fleming, Allen, Rojas or anybody else. Watford (fingers crossed) should start and get 20-30 minutes per game. Mack needs his time too. He’ll play some minutes at the 4. Gary will probably see most of his time as a wing four. Reese is going to have to play C. Hawkins/Dawkins/whatever his name is will back him up but still play significant SEC minutes.
I just don’t see much time for a 3rd string 5 especially in this offense. Won’t matter if he’s a shot blocker or junk yard dog. You need one for injury/backup/practice purposes but we ain’t rotating 13 dudes. Somebody’s gotta sit. I’m more worried about half the team being a freshman next year and what that means for roster management down the road.
Not directed at you CF. General question for the board.
I just don’t see much time for a 3rd string 5 especially in this offense. Won’t matter if he’s a shot blocker or junk yard dog. You need one for injury/backup/practice purposes but we ain’t rotating 13 dudes. Somebody’s gotta sit. I’m more worried about half the team being a freshman next year and what that means for roster management down the road.
Not directed at you CF. General question for the board.
Posted on 4/10/19 at 2:23 am to Gongora
If Hawkins turns out to be the real deal, or at least a solid contributor, and you believe that either Reese is a good fit at the 5 or that we will see an improved Galin Smith, then you don't need any more than we have. That scenario would be ideal. You could roll with Mack, Watford, Reese,and Hawkins at the 4 & 5. And have Galin & Fleming for spot situations.
My only problem is I don't know if we'll get a lot out of Galin & Fleming, and Hawkins might not be ready for a good dose of minutes. I hope that won't be the case though. But if that does happen then you're counting on Reese & Watford to give you a lot of production at the 5. And I'm not enamored with Reese's rebounding & rim protecting abilities, nor do I really want to see Watford have to step into that role. I'd like to see him at the 4 as much as possible.
Scenario number two is only reason I'd like to add 1 more guy that maybe has a little JUCO experience & has somewhat of an inside presence. And whoever that guy is would take Fleming's spot. And said guy may or may not be a huge contributor, but it would be nice to know he's there. But for me it all comes down to how good is Hawkins, and what will Reese provide while playing center. That's the uncertainty.
My only problem is I don't know if we'll get a lot out of Galin & Fleming, and Hawkins might not be ready for a good dose of minutes. I hope that won't be the case though. But if that does happen then you're counting on Reese & Watford to give you a lot of production at the 5. And I'm not enamored with Reese's rebounding & rim protecting abilities, nor do I really want to see Watford have to step into that role. I'd like to see him at the 4 as much as possible.
Scenario number two is only reason I'd like to add 1 more guy that maybe has a little JUCO experience & has somewhat of an inside presence. And whoever that guy is would take Fleming's spot. And said guy may or may not be a huge contributor, but it would be nice to know he's there. But for me it all comes down to how good is Hawkins, and what will Reese provide while playing center. That's the uncertainty.
This post was edited on 4/10/19 at 2:53 am
Posted on 4/10/19 at 3:02 am to T Dogg89
None of this matters though. If we get Watford & Bolden we'll be solid. The rest will fall into place.
We're going to the Final Four next year, so book your flights!
We're going to the Final Four next year, so book your flights!
Posted on 4/10/19 at 4:15 am to T Dogg89
Posted on 4/10/19 at 5:31 am to CrimsonFever
You just dont want to just come in and get rid of everyone tho. I am also pretty sure he said something alone the lines that he was working with the bigs because some of them have the skills to do what he wants. I dont think we can judge any of them off of what weve seen so far.
Posted on 4/10/19 at 5:34 am to Tide or Die87
If Reese is our main big we are in a world of hurt. We are going to get abused on the boards unless he does a 360.
Posted on 4/10/19 at 5:47 am to T Dogg89
Thanks for the insight. Not sure if you know but I’m still in Australia and this is my only outlet for sports talk. If it ain’t in one of the few threads I check on then I don’t know it.
I haven’t seen anything about what type of defense Oats plays. I assume it’s man since tempo is so fast. Did Buffalo zone any? I’d rather see Reese on the block defensively than guarding a stretch 4 on the perimeter. It would be a mismatch on the other end too. If they play zone then we go 5 out. If they’re in man then their rim protector has to step out and respect Reese.
It just seems to me that Allen and Rojas are potential backups in case we don’t land Watford. I don’t like the idea of poaching signees from Buffalo. Have those guys mentioned interest in us? Or are we just assuming there might be interest since they signed to play for Oats at Buffalo?
I’d feel fine with Reese, Hawkins and Galin at the 5 with Watford, Mack, Gary and Herb Jones at the 4. If Fleming wants to stay then great. If he leaves I’d rather us look for a guard transfer rather than another big in that junior class. If Galin leaves and Fleming stays then maybe a JUCO big, but I’d still rather have DJ Harvey even if he has to sit a year.
Rebounding will have to be a team effort any way you look at it. That’s kinda how the game is evolving anyway.
I haven’t seen anything about what type of defense Oats plays. I assume it’s man since tempo is so fast. Did Buffalo zone any? I’d rather see Reese on the block defensively than guarding a stretch 4 on the perimeter. It would be a mismatch on the other end too. If they play zone then we go 5 out. If they’re in man then their rim protector has to step out and respect Reese.
It just seems to me that Allen and Rojas are potential backups in case we don’t land Watford. I don’t like the idea of poaching signees from Buffalo. Have those guys mentioned interest in us? Or are we just assuming there might be interest since they signed to play for Oats at Buffalo?
I’d feel fine with Reese, Hawkins and Galin at the 5 with Watford, Mack, Gary and Herb Jones at the 4. If Fleming wants to stay then great. If he leaves I’d rather us look for a guard transfer rather than another big in that junior class. If Galin leaves and Fleming stays then maybe a JUCO big, but I’d still rather have DJ Harvey even if he has to sit a year.
Rebounding will have to be a team effort any way you look at it. That’s kinda how the game is evolving anyway.
Posted on 4/10/19 at 5:50 am to Tide or Die87
Yea I am not buying the “ his system doesn’t use bigs” narrative . Oats may prefer bigs who can stretch the defense but you still need some who can bang down low and at least be a presence on defense and rebounding . Even Auburn had a couple
Posted on 4/10/19 at 6:23 am to Tide or Die87
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If Reese is our main big we are in a world of hurt. We are going to get abused on the boards unless he does a 360.
Reese actually rebounds a little better than Smith. Both are terrible rebounders though.
This post was edited on 4/10/19 at 6:24 am
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