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Posted on 2/20/20 at 2:19 pm to The Spleen
Posted on 2/20/20 at 2:19 pm to The Spleen
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I'd put Herb before Petty in the toughness department, and really it's not that close.
I meant Herb instead of Petty. I’m sorry, I don’t know what in the hell happened
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Posted on 2/20/20 at 2:25 pm to wm72
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I'm thinking something was wrong personally with Reese as he just seemed out of it all night.
He got hurt again at the first of the game, looked to be in a lot of pain, I was surprised he came back in later on. He is playing with a few injuries, he is gonna have to have surgery on his hip after the season.
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Bottom line is Herb, Petty, Beetle, Kira, Galin, Shack, Davis, Forbes all play hard /try enough to win.
Davis and Smith combined for 3 rebounds and 1 point, which is pretty close to the norm for them. If they did play hard then they are just not very good, and we aren't running a little league where everyone gets to play because they try hard. Bottom-line is they aren't getting the job done and if they don't turn it around we have to get players that will.
This post was edited on 2/20/20 at 2:30 pm
Posted on 2/20/20 at 2:32 pm to CrimsonFever
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Davis and Smith combined for 3 rebounds and 1 point, which is pretty close to the norm for them.
That’s just terrible
Posted on 2/20/20 at 2:33 pm to Cobrasize
Against Auburn they combined for 3 rebounds and two points so it's not like last night was an anomaly either.
Posted on 2/20/20 at 2:33 pm to CrimsonFever
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Davis and Smith combined for like 6 rebounds, which is more than they usually combine for. If they did play hard then they are just not very good, and we are't running a little league where everyone gets to play because they try hard. Bottom-line is they aren't getting the job done and if they don't turn it around we have to to people that will.
I completely agree with that. I do think it's absolutely the big men not really being good enough more than not trying -- aside from what coaching could potentially accomplish with them establishing better rebounding position.
So, yes, we can be a lot better if Oats can recruit more athletic, talented inside players.
My point though, is simply that our lack of inside talent should be the difference between a 5 seed VS 9/10 seed in the tourney and not the difference between being a 5 seed VS a 14-12 NIT hopeful. Lots of teams deal with similar issues with similar perimeter talent to what we do have.
What's keeping us from just beating Texas A&M, Arkansas and Tennessee at home and closing out a few more other close games is that the players who are 100% as talented as any Oats may hope to recruit are just not as mentally focused as they should be and it's not improving as the season progresses.
This post was edited on 2/20/20 at 2:41 pm
Posted on 2/20/20 at 2:43 pm to wm72
One injury to a key player is big and we started sliding when Herb got hurt. Look at Auburn without Okoro, they went from having two loses all season to losing two games in a row to bad teams. We were playing pretty well despite having crappy bigs. All three of those home loses you mention are after Herb got hurt.
Wrong handed Herb who is a liability on offense isn't the same as the Herb we had prior to his injury. We were already a thin team.
Wrong handed Herb who is a liability on offense isn't the same as the Herb we had prior to his injury. We were already a thin team.
This post was edited on 2/20/20 at 2:51 pm
Posted on 2/20/20 at 2:51 pm to CrimsonFever
I agree about Herb's injury being devastating. I had no real expectation we'd make the tourney once that happened.
However, none of that excuses this team looking like it had made zero progress since game 1 in game 26 last night in terms of the absurd amount of sheer mental concentration issues (Kira forgetting to catch a pass etc etc etc).
Supposedly good coaching was going to correct that to the point where losing game 26 would be because our bigs got out played and not because we made 20 careless turnovers and got completely undone by that zone half-court trap defense in the last 8 minutes.
However, none of that excuses this team looking like it had made zero progress since game 1 in game 26 last night in terms of the absurd amount of sheer mental concentration issues (Kira forgetting to catch a pass etc etc etc).
Supposedly good coaching was going to correct that to the point where losing game 26 would be because our bigs got out played and not because we made 20 careless turnovers and got completely undone by that zone half-court trap defense in the last 8 minutes.
This post was edited on 2/20/20 at 2:53 pm
Posted on 2/20/20 at 2:55 pm to remaster916
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This is Bama basketball, Bama is a average basketball problem. Has been for almost 30 years, minus 6 or 7 seasons.
I think fans will be a lot happier if you just accept Bama basketball for what it is....
Bama Basketball is the South Carolina of college football. It will never be greater than that, but often times it will be worse.
Posted on 2/20/20 at 2:56 pm to wm72
I agree with you that the team needs more mental toughness, not sure it's something you can instill in a team in not even a full season. We sure didn't have any mental toughness Saban's first year here but had a lot in his second with a lot of the same players.
Talent and injuries is a big part too, and we are ducktaping one hole in the boat, then having to remove that ducktape to plug a bigger hole, we've been doing that all season. You keep getting more holes in the boat and at some point you're gonna sink and the Herb injury was where we sank.
Talent and injuries is a big part too, and we are ducktaping one hole in the boat, then having to remove that ducktape to plug a bigger hole, we've been doing that all season. You keep getting more holes in the boat and at some point you're gonna sink and the Herb injury was where we sank.
Posted on 2/20/20 at 2:57 pm to CrimsonFever
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Wrong handed Herb who is a liability on offense isn't the same as the Herb we had prior to his injury.
If I could stomach it, I'd go back and watch the first half again. I'm curious how many turnovers Herb caused that we couldn't push because of he couldn't with one hand. I know one he got the ball ahead to Forbes he made a layup.
Posted on 2/20/20 at 3:01 pm to saban n bear
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Bama Basketball is the South Carolina of college football. It will never be greater than that, but often times it will be worse.
We are the second winning-est program in SEC basketball history. You seem like you're 12 so I don't expect you to know that but we made the sweet 16 6 times in a 10 year period before. We made the elite 8 under Gottfried.
That's why some of us get so frustrated, because we have seen us have a very good bball program before. If we had always sucked it would be easier to handle.
This post was edited on 2/20/20 at 3:04 pm
Posted on 2/20/20 at 3:30 pm to CrimsonFever
A big problem for us at the end last night was A&M's press. You leave Herb in, it's harder to beat the press, you take Herb out, our defense suffers.
If Herb can get that cast off we'll be a better team. We might be a NIT team by then though.
We still had two really good looks to get the lead in the final minute last night, but they didn't fall.
Hell, maybe we got our hopes up by almost beating a Auburn team and beating a overrated LSU team.
I think the truth lies somewhere in the middle.
If Herb can get that cast off we'll be a better team. We might be a NIT team by then though.
We still had two really good looks to get the lead in the final minute last night, but they didn't fall.
Hell, maybe we got our hopes up by almost beating a Auburn team and beating a overrated LSU team.
I think the truth lies somewhere in the middle.
Posted on 2/20/20 at 3:40 pm to Syd
Buzz Williams was smart enough to use Herb's injury against us with that press. Hurt us bad.
I had a feeling that was coming when LSU started doing it to us at the end of the game and got Herb to turn it over a couple of times.
I had a feeling that was coming when LSU started doing it to us at the end of the game and got Herb to turn it over a couple of times.
Posted on 2/20/20 at 3:41 pm to CrimsonFever
Juwan Gary just posted this on twitter. Looks like he is gonna bring some toughness himself.
This post was edited on 2/20/20 at 3:44 pm
Posted on 2/20/20 at 4:09 pm to Syd
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A big problem for us at the end last night was A&M's press.
Was it though? I know it slowed us down, but I don't recall it forcing many, if any, turnovers. I thought we handled their press pretty well and the only impact it had on the game was the pace. Of course the pace it forced is the pace A&M wanted.
Posted on 2/20/20 at 5:15 pm to The Spleen
They slowed us down to the pace they wanted to play and forced us into 19 turnovers, it completely disrupted what we wanted to do on offense. I think they went on a 14 - 0 run doing it late in the game. Of course it effected us.
We had to have a big in to guard Nebo and had to have one handed Herb in there for rebounding and defense, so that's not an ideal offense personnel to have in vs a top 50 defensive team running a press.
We had to have a big in to guard Nebo and had to have one handed Herb in there for rebounding and defense, so that's not an ideal offense personnel to have in vs a top 50 defensive team running a press.
This post was edited on 2/20/20 at 5:19 pm
Posted on 2/20/20 at 5:20 pm to CrimsonFever
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We are the second winning-est program in SEC basketball history. You seem like you're 12 so I don't expect you to know that but we made the sweet 16 6 times in a 10 year period before. We made the elite 8 under Gottfried.
So you don’t think South Carolina has been ranked #16 or better six times or more to end a season and #8 or better a few times? Just because basketball calls it Sweet 16 and football #16 isn’t as celebrated, at the end of the day, 16th place is still 16th place.
Posted on 2/20/20 at 5:23 pm to CrimsonFever
Posted on 2/20/20 at 5:27 pm to Chadaristic
Yep, we're kind of unlucky with the way SEC games are called that we just don't play in a way that draws fouls.
It's an inefficiency to be exploited that we don't exploit due to the way we have to run our system without effective bigs.
On the other end we just have too many guys who can't stay in front and panic and use their hands. And we have insane idiotic Beetle playing bump and run at midcourt.
It's an inefficiency to be exploited that we don't exploit due to the way we have to run our system without effective bigs.
On the other end we just have too many guys who can't stay in front and panic and use their hands. And we have insane idiotic Beetle playing bump and run at midcourt.
This post was edited on 2/20/20 at 5:30 pm
Posted on 2/20/20 at 5:27 pm to saban n bear
SC is 10th in all time win percentage among SEC teams in football.
We are 2nd in basketball behind Kentucky in all time win percentage.
We are 2nd in basketball behind Kentucky in all time win percentage.
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