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re: SOGa+ College Football Rankings & Picks - Week 7

Posted on 10/10/23 at 8:55 am to
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
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Posted on 10/10/23 at 8:55 am to
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Besides the obvious Bama related questions, I got a few CFB questions about your model if you don't mind

1. How did Air Force go from being in the 40-50s to now top 10?

I understand that they're wildly efficient in MW play but that close Sam Houston State win has to tank them down, don't you think?

2. How does ST factor in your rankings?

3. Do you have any team that you believe will surge up the rankings by the end of the year?


Happy to try my best!

1. Two things - one, the formula last week that undercounted points per drive really hurt them, because they lead the country in points per drive at something like 4.5 or some other absurd number. So, in reality, they probably should have been in the top 25 last week. The SoS stuff is really difficult with teams who have played 0 good teams. If you took out SoS adjustment, Air Force would be #2 in offense and #21 in defense.

As for the Sam Houston game, their bad efficiency in that game just goes to show how insanely efficient they've bene in all the others.

Available Yards/Pt Per Dr
SHSU - 36%, 1.44
Utah St - 74%, 5.57
SJSU - 83%, 5.43
SDSU - 90% (insane), 5.83

So, with all that said, it's hard to evaluate them. Personally I'd say that number is probably way too high, but it's really hard to find a way to get the math to say that because there just aren't variables available. If they keep playing perfect offensive games against their schedule, they'll stay up there. But because the SoS will drag them down, they'll have to be nearly perfect.


2. The best way to describe the weight of Special Teams is that a the worst ST in the country loses their team 3 pts a game and the best ST in the country gains 3 pts a game, per the rankings. Clemson is 131st in ST and it drags them down 2.6 pts. Alabama is 6th in ST and gains us 1.8 pts. So, in theory, if Alabama and Clemson played, the special teams for both teams end in a net gain of 4.4 pts for Alabama.

3. It's hard to say. Everybody is so inconsistent and teams outside the top 10 or so are all so bunched up. Mississippi State is #59 (+1.22 > avg) and they are only 8 pts below Auburn (+9.25) who is #30. So if Auburn and State play in Starkville Auburn would be a 5 pt favorite (3 pts for HF). It's just kind of a crap shoot.

I'd say Penn State at #13, probably. They just haven't really played anyone and their offense hasn't been forced to really get after it, yet.

On the flip side, Air Force obviously and I think Notre Dame and Maryland will drop as time passes.
Posted by WeWillFly
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Member since Oct 2022
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Posted on 10/10/23 at 9:13 am to
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As for the Sam Houston game, their bad efficiency in that game just goes to show how insanely efficient they've bene in all the others.

Available Yards/Pt Per Dr
SHSU - 36%, 1.44
Utah St - 74%, 5.57
SJSU - 83%, 5.43
SDSU - 90% (insane), 5.83




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Clemson is 131st in ST and it drags them down 2.6 pts.




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I'd say Penn State at #13, probably. They just haven't really played anyone and their offense hasn't been forced to really get after it, yet.


Honestly I've played around with Statistics but what I found out is that I believe Mizzou (according to my input which is the FiveThirtyEight method, and yes I include Sagarin, yes I'm crazy) will drop the most.

IMO according to what I have I believe Arizona will skyrocket the most, my system really likes them. Got them at 6.5-5.5 but it might go down the gutter soon..

Thank you for explaining
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
105717 posts
Posted on 10/10/23 at 9:49 am to
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Honestly I've played around with Statistics but what I found out is that I believe Mizzou (according to my input which is the FiveThirtyEight method, and yes I include Sagarin, yes I'm crazy) will drop the most.


Nice, I like that method. And Sagarin is always good.

Totally agree about Missouri. They've been low in mine (and most) for a while, and last weekend did nothing to disprove that (both their performance and KSU being awful at OSU).

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IMO according to what I have I believe Arizona will skyrocket the most, my system really likes them. Got them at 6.5-5.5 but it might go down the gutter soon..



They've been really solid the last 2 weeks and that freshman QB looks like a ball player. Tough arse schedule for them over the last 2/3 (vs Washington, @ USC, vs Oregon St, vs UCLA, @ Colorado, vs Utah).

That league is really good.
Posted by Glorious
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Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 10/10/23 at 9:53 am to
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Do you believe that Michigan is closer to the Michigan of the last 2 years or have they actually made the jump to, for example, the UGA team that bullied them in the Orange Bowl two years ago. McCarthy is obviously waaaay better and has a higher ceiling that McNamara but do you have any concern that they’d fall apart in the trenches again?
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
105717 posts
Posted on 10/10/23 at 9:55 am to
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Do you believe that Michigan is closer to the Michigan of the last 2 years or have they actually made the jump to, for example, the UGA team that bullied them in the Orange Bowl two years ago. McCarthy is obviously waaaay better and has a higher ceiling that McNamara but do you have any concern that they’d fall apart in the trenches again?



I can honestly say I have absolutely no clue

My gut feeling is I won't believe they are any different until I see them be different. But at this point I don't think you can really infer anything about them other than they are a very good team whose style of play and consistency means they will suffocate bad teams. Because their schedule so far is horrid, and it will remain horrid for a whole nother month. Like, they haven't and won't play a bowl team until they November 11th level bad.
This post was edited on 10/10/23 at 9:56 am
Posted by Crimson77
Member since Dec 2019
824 posts
Posted on 10/10/23 at 10:37 am to
These rankings feel fairly in line with the eye test.

I think Washington is a paper tiger. They've played a very weak schedule and are riding on the back of blowing out awful teams in the first 3 weeks.
Posted by WeWillFly
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Member since Oct 2022
1492 posts
Posted on 10/10/23 at 12:56 pm to
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That league is really good.



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