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re: So is it safe to say Golding is staying?

Posted on 1/26/20 at 9:15 am to
Posted by TidalSurge1
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Posted on 1/26/20 at 9:15 am to
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Except I was the one who pointed out the insider information on the topic was bull shite and have been right about the situation the entire time.

And I have 0 inside information.

You guys are just fueled by your own ignorance and don't want to admit it was the offense that caused our losses this year. -- 3down&Golding
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I didn't get my feelings hurt, the insider did and banned people anytime it happened. It's funny how everyone else was the problem, yet the common denominator in it all was not.

He called Golding a "goofy and lazy slob" and attributed that to be the reason why the defense didn't do well. Also claimed is that he called the defense the prior year, rather than Tosh. I was specifically banned for pointing out there was no logical way what he was claiming could be true.

He was pushing that narrative the 2nd half of the season.

There is no rewriting to say he pushed it. If he didn't put the narrative out there it wouldn't have existed. And it doesn't really matter if he's just repeating what someone told him, or making it up himself. Someone down the line is pumping out bull shite and he's the hose that sprayed it here.

People say things like "ignore what he says" or whatever, but at the end of the day people still do believe it and take what is said as fact. -- 3down&Golding



On BOL, multiple people with connections inside the program were also indicating that Saban had essentially shifted DC responsibilites (game planning and play calling) from Tosh to Golding in the latter part of 2018. Boz didn't just make that up. And Boz isnt the only "insider" to indicate that Golding has had family matter distractions significant enough that it might even result his own desire to step down or away from the high expectations and demands of being Bama's DC.
This post was edited on 1/26/20 at 9:47 am
Posted by bamameister
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Posted on 1/26/20 at 9:29 am to
Last season Saban officially announced his coaching staff February 15. Being an optimistic kind of guy myself I'm still holding out reasonable hope that Saban is still about fixing what's broke in a few weeks.
Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 1/26/20 at 10:13 am to
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On BOL, multiple people with connections inside the program were also indicating that Saban had essentially shifted DC responsibilites (game planning and play calling) from Tosh to Golding in the latter part of 2018. Boz didn't just make that up. And Boz isnt the only "insider" to indicate that Golding has had family matter distractions significant enough that it might even result his own desire to step down or away from the high expectations and demands of being Bama's DC.



And they were all full of shite.

I don't really care where the shite starts. It was easily debunked with common sense.
Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 1/26/20 at 10:23 am to
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Look at Dylan Moses and Mack Wilson's play last year.


Why don't you give me a refresher? I don't really remember because our team was usually up by 28-35 points in the fourth quarter and I never really cared what the defense was doing past a certain point in the second quarter.

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Look at how little Shane Lee and Christian Harris grew this year?


Shane Lee? Yes. But his problems have more to do with his lack of speed. That's something you can't coach. You either have it or you don't. Christian Harris? No. He improved as the season progressed.

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Oh and stop the freshman shite. By midseason starting that many games and getting that many reps they aren't considered freshman.. talk much by the end of the season.


Then shite, why don't we just start more freshmen throughout the season so they can develop into All-Americans that much earlier?

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We didn't suffer a few. It was a laundry list of injuries and unlike this year they were at places we didn't have depth.


bullshite. bullshite. We lost two guys in the first game of the season at linebacker, which was the place where we had our greatest depth on defense. Both of them were back by the Iron Bowl and played in both playoff games. Shaun Dion Hamilton's injury against LSU was a tough break but we still had Rashaan Evans. Hootie Jones also going out late in the season sucked but we still had Minkah Fitzpatrick.

Are you noticing a pattern? Yeah...we suffered injuries in 2017, a laundry list of them, but there were experienced players playing beside the ones who took their place. Not only that...10 of the 11 original defensive starters were back for the playoffs. We didn't get these guys back after they went out in 2019. Almost all of their injuries were season-ending.



This post was edited on 1/26/20 at 10:25 am
Posted by YStar
Member since Mar 2013
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Posted on 1/26/20 at 10:33 am to
You are a perfect example of a short memory on here.

If I need to remind you how badly Mack Wilson and Dylan Moses struggled than we can just end this discussion here because you're either not even trying to be objective or your memory would have me remind you about the most known and mundane things.
Posted by YStar
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Posted on 1/26/20 at 10:35 am to
That's the other thing.

Golding already called basically half of the previous year when we got beat by Clemson and Auburn.

Now we need to see him a third time to ensure he really isn't that great? No thanks.

In the end I hope Saban is slow playing this until signing day.
Posted by bamameister
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Posted on 1/26/20 at 10:45 am to
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Then shite, why don't we just start more freshmen throughout the season so they can develop into All-Americans that much earlier?



When the need arises that's exactly what we've done and have always done. Rolando McClain to Hightower to Jalen Hurts to Julio Jones, Calvin Ridley to Amari Cooper to Milliner, to Barret Jones to Jonah Williams to on and on it goes.

Golding seems to be the only coach that needs a do-over though. Playing 4* and 5* freshmen are tough stuff.
Posted by RollTide1987
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Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 1/26/20 at 11:14 am to
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When the need arises that's exactly what we've done and have always done. Rolando McClain to Hightower to Jalen Hurts to Julio Jones, Calvin Ridley to Amari Cooper to Milliner, to Barret Jones to Jonah Williams to on and on it goes.


Rolando McClain was the only freshman to start in the front seven in 2007.

Dont'a Hightower was the only freshman to start in the front seven in 2008.

Julio Jones was the only freshman to start at receiver in 2008.

Barrett Jones redshirted.

Amari Cooper was the only freshman to start at receiver in 2012.

The point is obvious...freshmen have always played at Alabama under Saban. But they've played around veterans. Never before have we had so many freshmen starting/heavily contributing on defense.

This post was edited on 1/26/20 at 11:16 am
Posted by bamameister
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Posted on 1/26/20 at 11:23 am to
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Rolando McClain was the only freshman to start in the front seven in 2007.

Dont'a Hightower was the only freshman to start in the front seven in 2008.

Julio Jones was the only freshman to start at receiver in 2008.

Barrett Jones redshirted.

Amari Cooper was the only freshman to start at receiver in 2012.

The point is obvious...freshmen have always played at Alabama under Saban. But they've played around veterans. Never before have we had so many freshmen starting/heavily contributing on defense.


The last time Alabama won a national championship in 2017, Bama played 17 true freshmen during the season. Including 6 true freshmen on the offense in the 4th quarter and OT vs Georgia.
Posted by OldPete
Georgia
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Posted on 1/26/20 at 11:25 am to
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Golding already called basically half of the previous year when we got beat by Clemson and Auburn.

If Golding was calling the plays half of the previous year, he only lost to Clemson (we destroyed Auburn in ‘18). When we got beat by Auburn in ‘17, Jeremy Pruitt was the DC...
Posted by Tide and Seek
Member since Dec 2019
343 posts
Posted on 1/26/20 at 11:28 am to
How is it that we can hire a basketball coach and the fans give them 3 years before they get angry and Saban can’t be trusted with a guy after one season with freshman lbers and multiple injuries to starters?
Posted by YStar
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Posted on 1/26/20 at 11:30 am to
Correct
Posted by bamameister
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Posted on 1/26/20 at 11:45 am to
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How is it that we can hire a basketball coach and the fans give them 3 years before they get angry and Saban can’t be trusted with a guy after one season with freshman lbers and multiple injuries to starters?




Alabama's entire 2016 coaching staff minus Cochran is gone.

Alabama's entire 2017 coaching staff minus Cochran is gone.

This is what Alabama's returning coaching staff looked like in 2018

2017-2018 tight ends coach Joe Pannunzio
2018 co-DC Pete Golding
2018 ST coordinator Jeff Banks
2018 DL coach Craig Kuligowski
2018 DB coach Karl Scott


Of the above group, how many on the Alabama 2018 coaching staff do you actually see that actually returned for the 2019 season?

Stay tuned, the official coaching staff for 2020, will be out in a few weeks.


Conclusion: Before you get too tore up about fans who can't see assistant coaches given 3 years to prove themselves at Alabama, you might want to check with the head coach and the above chart. Saban seems to have a lot less tolerance that most of us.

Posted by Tide and Seek
Member since Dec 2019
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Posted on 1/26/20 at 11:55 am to
? They took other jobs. Saban encourages that doesn’t want guys sticking around that aren’t committed. If Golding is committed and he finally has a healthy cast he may be decent.
Posted by bamameister
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Posted on 1/26/20 at 12:00 pm to
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? They took other jobs. Saban encourages that doesn’t want guys sticking around that aren’t committed.




And you left out, just plain bad at what they do.




Posted by Tide and Seek
Member since Dec 2019
343 posts
Posted on 1/26/20 at 12:02 pm to
Who was? Who was plain bad?
Posted by bamameister
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Posted on 1/26/20 at 12:06 pm to
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Who was? Who was plain bad?


Tosh, but frankly I think the list is much longer and much more current.
Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
36463 posts
Posted on 1/26/20 at 12:35 pm to
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That's the other thing.

Golding already called basically half of the previous year when we got beat by Clemson and Auburn.

Now we need to see him a third time to ensure he really isn't that great? No thanks.

In the end I hope Saban is slow playing this until signing day.


This rumor about Golding calling the plays the previous year is total bullshite.

If it were true, it would have come out in the media by now with a real source. But I am supposed to believe that he called plays all that time, and yet it was never reported or leaked in that time?

It was kept secret for months and months, and is still not discussed now? Not a single player or person inside the institution has ever made a public statement to the effect.

Alabama switches defensive play callers and nobody notices? It would have been a huge story and yet the only peep is on message boards.

bullshite.

The funny part about it all is that it was said as a way to promote Golding, but yet the end of the season was the reason why we all wanted Tosh gone. I accepted the rumor at first and was pissed off that Golding was hired if he was response for the defense against Clemson. It was fricking horrible, not a single bit of pressure on Lawerence all night long. 3 man rushes, frick that shite. And everyone here thought it was great that he was already calling plays.

But it doesn't make sense if you really think about it. Not only for what I mentioned above, but you are telling me Saban rewarded Golding with the DC job after that shite show? I don't see how. Looked very clear to me that he basically found Tosh another job after it, and promoted a defensive mind he respected.

And then I looked at the play calling this year, and it's much more aggressive despite the injuries that limit what is available with younger/inexperienced guys.

Just like the lazy claims. bullshite. Saban is the man who fired Kiffin a week before the national championship game because he didn't put effort in. But oh yeah, he's keeping this Golding guy around who's so lazy it's the reason the defense isn't the best ever? frick no. If the guy was lazy Saban would have handled that shite before the season was even over.

So, either Saban promotes a guy to DC after calling some terrible games, then allows this guy to be super lazy and a bum on the staff, then apparently keeps him around another year because Saban just likes "lazy and goofy" people.

Or, Saban sent the guy who called that shitty Clemson game to the NFL to learn X's and O's as he needed, promoted the best defensive coach he could find to replace them. Then was basically just dealt the shittiest circumstances you could find with a ton of injuries, starting more than 50% freshman in your front 7 including both ILB. Yet still managed to finish with a defense 3rd in the SP+ and did well all things considered and Saban will keep him around.

It's pretty obvious which one I think makes more sense and which sounds like a pile of bullshite.

Prime example of why "Just ignore the insider" is impossible. Other people take the shite as fact and you still have to address it, no matter how crazy you must think Saban is to believe it.

Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
36463 posts
Posted on 1/26/20 at 12:48 pm to
“Pete's a very bright guy,” he said last week. “I think he has really good relationships with his players. I think he's been put in a really, really difficult situation.

“[He] has much more patience than maybe I do relative to how he teaches. So I think he's done a really good job.”

Nick Saban on the topic.

I guess he should start reading message boards so he would have known he was lazy and goofy and should have had those freshman going like they were pros by the end of the year.

Posted by Tide and Seek
Member since Dec 2019
343 posts
Posted on 1/26/20 at 12:51 pm to
So one guy was “plain bad” and so Golding clearly is? He had the worst supporting cast under Saban yet. Did you see Shane Lees PFF grade? It was like a 30 something. He was awful.
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