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Posted on 12/26/20 at 9:50 pm to TidalSurge1
Posted on 12/26/20 at 9:50 pm to TidalSurge1
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What the G5 whiners ignore is the fact that there are multiple P5 teams with 1-3 losses who'd be undefeated vs CCU's schedule; e.g., ATM, UF, UGA, OU, ISU, IU...
Is ISU Iowa State? You know they lost to a team on Coastal’s schedule.
IU would lose to BYU too. IU blows. I don’t care what their record in a terrible B1G is.
I don’t think G5 teams are playoff caliber, but they are unfairly treated. There’s really no reason Iowa State should be ranked ahead of Coastal. The Big XII was 0-3 vs the Belt.
Also, at least their conferences played a real schedule. Ohio State didn’t even legitimately play this year. Ridiculous to put a 6 win team in.
This post was edited on 12/26/20 at 9:55 pm
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Posted on 12/26/20 at 10:08 pm to TomRollTideRitter
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IU would lose to BYU too. IU blows. I don’t care what their record in a terrible B1G is.
Completely disagree with this. IU with their starting QB is better than BYU. They were a good team this year and are well coached. Regardless of conference they are a solid and very respectable team.
Posted on 12/26/20 at 10:09 pm to TomRollTideRitter
I almost left ISU off my list and should've. 
This post was edited on 1/5/21 at 10:24 am
Posted on 12/26/20 at 10:16 pm to Carlton
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Completely disagree with this. IU with their starting QB is better than BYU. They were a good team this year and are well coached. Regardless of conference they are a solid and very respectable team.
Based on what? They didn’t beat a single team with a winning record. Their starting QB was wildly inaccurate.
I’ll give you they force turnovers and have some solid WRs.
Posted on 12/26/20 at 10:23 pm to TidalSurge1
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I disagree with the narrative that G5 teams are treated unfairly.
Explain to me why ISU should be in a major bowl with 3 losses including 1 to a Sun Belt team when their conference went 0-3 against the Sun Bowl.
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Imo, they belong in a separate FBS-2 division with their own playoff.
Within two years, Vandy and Oregon State types would need to drop. Then Kentucky and Miss State. Then Ole Miss and Arkansas. College sports have and always will have bottom feeders.
Posted on 12/26/20 at 10:27 pm to TomRollTideRitter
Don’t want to derail this thread, with a side topic, but are there any good bowl games tomorrow? I’m struggling
Posted on 12/26/20 at 10:30 pm to Cobrasize
It's Sunday.
The NFL doesn't allow bowl games on Sundays.
However, Derrick Henry and the Titans take on the Packers tomorrow night. That big locomotive needs to pound their arse on his way to 2,000 yards for the season.
The NFL doesn't allow bowl games on Sundays.
However, Derrick Henry and the Titans take on the Packers tomorrow night. That big locomotive needs to pound their arse on his way to 2,000 yards for the season.
Posted on 12/26/20 at 10:40 pm to TomRollTideRitter
I watched their games and I watched a couple of BYU's game. Their complete performances against Ohio State Michigan, Michigan State and Wisconsin without Penix was more impressive than BYU against Coastal and UCF. I don't get anything from BYU beating North Alabama and UTSA. BYU does not look like a team ready to go 5-1 in a bad power 5 conference.
This post was edited on 12/26/20 at 10:52 pm
Posted on 12/26/20 at 11:15 pm to Carlton
Sorry I don’t see it. All I’ve seen from Indiana is a defense that’s good at forcing turnovers and good at stopping archaic offenses. On offense, they have a couple good skill guys like Fryfrogle and Philyor.
Michael Penix is not good. 56% with only 7.5 average yards per completion. He’s your typical raw inaccurate QB at this point.
Just because Michigan, Michigan State and Wisconsin are brand names doesn’t make them good wins. Penn State is a decent win, but they outgained IU 488-211. It was a fluky win.
With BYU I see a first round QB, similar outside weapons in Milne and Romney, and a better o line. IU’s defense is better, but they have only played one modern offense and gave up 600+ yards and 42 points.
Michael Penix is not good. 56% with only 7.5 average yards per completion. He’s your typical raw inaccurate QB at this point.
Just because Michigan, Michigan State and Wisconsin are brand names doesn’t make them good wins. Penn State is a decent win, but they outgained IU 488-211. It was a fluky win.
With BYU I see a first round QB, similar outside weapons in Milne and Romney, and a better o line. IU’s defense is better, but they have only played one modern offense and gave up 600+ yards and 42 points.
Posted on 12/26/20 at 11:28 pm to TideSaint
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It's Sunday.
The NFL doesn't allow bowl games on Sundays.
However, Derrick Henry and the Titans take on the Packers tomorrow night. That big locomotive needs to pound their arse on his way to 2,000 yards for the season.
Saint, I thought today was Sunday. How’s that for having shite mixed up lol. Thank you for telling me. I misdated everything today.
Posted on 12/26/20 at 11:31 pm to TomRollTideRitter
This year the P5 went 9-6 against G5 teams.
The ACC went 6-3. The Big XII went 3-3.
Of the nine wins, 5 came against CUSA which is the worst G5 this year. It’s winless in bowls.
Because of the warped schedule, there isn’t justification for where the G5 teams are ranked.
Again I don’t think G5 teams are playoff teams, but
people dramatically overestimate the gap between the P5 and G5.
The gap between us and the average SEC team is much larger than the gap between the average SEC team and a good G5. The gap between the SEC and the PAC 12 is larger than the gap between the American and the PAC 12.
Keep in mind the last time the SEC played a full schedule, UT, Mizzou, South Carolina, Vanderbilt, Arkansas and Ole Miss all lost to G5 teams. Several of those weren’t even particularly good G5’s.
The ACC went 6-3. The Big XII went 3-3.
Of the nine wins, 5 came against CUSA which is the worst G5 this year. It’s winless in bowls.
Because of the warped schedule, there isn’t justification for where the G5 teams are ranked.
Again I don’t think G5 teams are playoff teams, but
people dramatically overestimate the gap between the P5 and G5.
The gap between us and the average SEC team is much larger than the gap between the average SEC team and a good G5. The gap between the SEC and the PAC 12 is larger than the gap between the American and the PAC 12.
Keep in mind the last time the SEC played a full schedule, UT, Mizzou, South Carolina, Vanderbilt, Arkansas and Ole Miss all lost to G5 teams. Several of those weren’t even particularly good G5’s.
This post was edited on 12/26/20 at 11:36 pm
Posted on 12/26/20 at 11:41 pm to TomRollTideRitter
Meh agree to disagree. I don’t remember a decent defense I have seen Zach Wilson look all that great against. I think IU would look a lot better if they had BYU’s schedule and I think if BYU can only get 17 against Coastal they would have a lot of trouble with scoring on Wisconsin or Indiana for that matter.
Posted on 12/27/20 at 6:42 am to Carlton
it always amazes me how people treat these one off games as an entire schedule. so what some g5 teams won some one off games against power 5 teams. doesnt mean anything if compared properly, to a seasons worth of scheduled power 5 teams. quit trying to make me believe coastal carolina's belongs in the cfb playoffs by virtue of winning a couple power 5 games. add 6 more power
5 teams to their schedule, not cherry picked softies either, then call me when they go undefeated. until then, you have no case.
5 teams to their schedule, not cherry picked softies either, then call me when they go undefeated. until then, you have no case.
Posted on 12/27/20 at 10:53 am to crimsontater
Look if anyone can give me a reason Iowa State should be in a major bowl other than just “muh their P5,” I’ll shut up.
The Big XII went 0-3 against the Sun Belt.
The Big XII only went 3-3 overall against G5.
Iowa State lost to a Sun Belt team that Coastal beat.
Iowa State had 3 losses.
Coastal had 0 losses.
We constantly rip the G5 teams about schedules but give every P5 a pass. Why? The reality is that if you take away the top 1 or 2 teams from the ACC, Big XII and PAC 12, those leagues are marginally better than the American at best.
If a P5 conference can’t go better than .500 against the G5 and doesn’t win a single game against the Sun Belt, why the hell should it get a pass?
The Big XII went 0-3 against the Sun Belt.
The Big XII only went 3-3 overall against G5.
Iowa State lost to a Sun Belt team that Coastal beat.
Iowa State had 3 losses.
Coastal had 0 losses.
We constantly rip the G5 teams about schedules but give every P5 a pass. Why? The reality is that if you take away the top 1 or 2 teams from the ACC, Big XII and PAC 12, those leagues are marginally better than the American at best.
If a P5 conference can’t go better than .500 against the G5 and doesn’t win a single game against the Sun Belt, why the hell should it get a pass?
Posted on 12/27/20 at 11:03 am to TomRollTideRitter
If anything this ought to piss you off as a fan of SEC team. We used to give credit to the best conference.
Now the committee, and you all apparently, just view schedules as “P5 good. G5 bad.”
It shouldn’t just be assumed a P5 conference is good. The Big XII actually showed on the field in its few games that it’s not this year.
Now the committee, and you all apparently, just view schedules as “P5 good. G5 bad.”
It shouldn’t just be assumed a P5 conference is good. The Big XII actually showed on the field in its few games that it’s not this year.
Posted on 12/27/20 at 1:16 pm to TomRollTideRitter
To achieve more competitive games that matter and more opportunities for reaching the CFP --
FBS CFP: Top 8 teams (ranked by committee); final on 1st Sat in Jan, 1st-round 2 weeks prior.
FBS scheduling criteria to qualify for CFP:
1. Schedule 9 in-conf and 3 out-of-conf teams.
2. Schedule 2 P5 vs G5 games, no FCS teams.
FCS TV revenue can replace rent-a-win income. TV revenue shared equally within conferences (Big12 lost Neb, Col, ATM & Miz due to unequal).
Realignments below support rivalries & balance: 14 teams in each P5 conf & 12 in each G5 conf. P5 conf cross-div: 1 fixed; 6 rotational in 2 slots. G5s going to P5 should be able to recruit better.
Div 1A (P5) = 70 teams:
ACC (14) "Atlantic"
N: BC, Syr, Pitt, WVU, VT, VA, MD
S: Mia, Duke, NCS, NC, CL, SC, UCF
B1G (14) "Northern"
E: MI, MSU, IU, Rutg, OSU, PSU, Cin
W: ND, NW, Pur, IL, Wisc, Iowa, MN
B12 (14) "Central"
N: OU, OkS, Neb, Miz, Kan, KSU, ISU
S: Tex, Bay, Col, Hou, SMU, TT, TCU
PAC (14) "Pacific"
N: UW, WS, UT, BYU, OR, OrSt, BS
S: AS, AZ, USC, Ucla, Stan, Cal, SD
SEC (14) "Southeastern"
E: TN, GA, UF, FSU, L'ville, UK, GT
W: UA, AU, LSU, ATM, AR, OM, MS
Div 1B (G5) = 60 teams:
AAC (12)
N: Mass, Conn, Army, Tem, Nvy, Lib
S: WkF, Chlt, Mem, Tulsa, Tuln, USF
CUSA (12)
E: Van, Mrsh, WKU, MTSU, FAU, FIU
W: UAB, USM, LT, UTSA, UNT, UTEP
MAC (12)
E: Buf, Kent, M-OH, OH, Akr, BGSU
W: Ball, Tol, WMU, EMU, CMU, NIU
MWC (12)
S: Haw, NMS, NM, FrSt, SJS, UNLV,
N: Nev, UTSt, AFA, CSU, Wyo, IDSt
Sun Belt (12)
E: App, ECU, CCU, GaSt, GaSo, Troy
W: USA, ULa, ULM, ArSt, TxSt, Rice
FBS CFP: Top 8 teams (ranked by committee); final on 1st Sat in Jan, 1st-round 2 weeks prior.
FBS scheduling criteria to qualify for CFP:
1. Schedule 9 in-conf and 3 out-of-conf teams.
2. Schedule 2 P5 vs G5 games, no FCS teams.
FCS TV revenue can replace rent-a-win income. TV revenue shared equally within conferences (Big12 lost Neb, Col, ATM & Miz due to unequal).
Realignments below support rivalries & balance: 14 teams in each P5 conf & 12 in each G5 conf. P5 conf cross-div: 1 fixed; 6 rotational in 2 slots. G5s going to P5 should be able to recruit better.
Div 1A (P5) = 70 teams:
ACC (14) "Atlantic"
N: BC, Syr, Pitt, WVU, VT, VA, MD
S: Mia, Duke, NCS, NC, CL, SC, UCF
B1G (14) "Northern"
E: MI, MSU, IU, Rutg, OSU, PSU, Cin
W: ND, NW, Pur, IL, Wisc, Iowa, MN
B12 (14) "Central"
N: OU, OkS, Neb, Miz, Kan, KSU, ISU
S: Tex, Bay, Col, Hou, SMU, TT, TCU
PAC (14) "Pacific"
N: UW, WS, UT, BYU, OR, OrSt, BS
S: AS, AZ, USC, Ucla, Stan, Cal, SD
SEC (14) "Southeastern"
E: TN, GA, UF, FSU, L'ville, UK, GT
W: UA, AU, LSU, ATM, AR, OM, MS
Div 1B (G5) = 60 teams:
AAC (12)
N: Mass, Conn, Army, Tem, Nvy, Lib
S: WkF, Chlt, Mem, Tulsa, Tuln, USF
CUSA (12)
E: Van, Mrsh, WKU, MTSU, FAU, FIU
W: UAB, USM, LT, UTSA, UNT, UTEP
MAC (12)
E: Buf, Kent, M-OH, OH, Akr, BGSU
W: Ball, Tol, WMU, EMU, CMU, NIU
MWC (12)
S: Haw, NMS, NM, FrSt, SJS, UNLV,
N: Nev, UTSt, AFA, CSU, Wyo, IDSt
Sun Belt (12)
E: App, ECU, CCU, GaSt, GaSo, Troy
W: USA, ULa, ULM, ArSt, TxSt, Rice
This post was edited on 1/5/21 at 11:07 pm
Posted on 12/27/20 at 1:19 pm to TidalSurge1
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CFB TV networks can cover all 3 division
What incentive would they have? I mean yeah they can, but they won't make good money doing it.
This post was edited on 12/27/20 at 1:20 pm
Posted on 12/27/20 at 1:22 pm to biclops
Are you sure? They already cover all G5 games. FCS games might also draw enough viewers and advertising revenue to be profitable. FCS schools have alumni & regional fanbases.
This post was edited on 12/27/20 at 2:40 pm
Posted on 12/27/20 at 1:28 pm to TidalSurge1
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Are you sure?
Not at all, I was just speaking from what my gut instinct was.
Posted on 12/27/20 at 1:32 pm to biclops
Gotcha. I was just proposing potential solutions to establish equitable competition throughout major and semi-major CFB.
This post was edited on 12/27/20 at 1:45 pm
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