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Posted on 9/2/20 at 12:39 pm to Cobrasize
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According to you, he just shot a white nationalist rioter. Not sure what the issue is
Where did I say that?
I just showed evidence that white nationalists were involved and not just BLM supporters...
Posted on 9/2/20 at 12:40 pm to Cobrasize
Why the sarcasm? Why is it so hard to criticize your chosen candidate for failing to condemn all the violence? Ignore Rittenhouse. He refused to condemn his supporters driving around Portland this weekend shooting protester(and yes, some were probably rioters) with paintball guns. Do you think that behavior helps quell the unrest?
All while you dishonestly accuse the other candidate of not condemning the violence when he has done that since May.
All while you dishonestly accuse the other candidate of not condemning the violence when he has done that since May.
This post was edited on 9/2/20 at 12:42 pm
Posted on 9/2/20 at 12:41 pm to stomp
I’m on your side, us Democrats are United. Savior Joe is out of the basement, it’s on now. Trump has no chance.
Posted on 9/2/20 at 12:47 pm to Cobrasize
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I’m on your side, us Democrats are United. Savior Joe is out of the basement, it’s on now. Trump has no chance.
Where did I ever say anything about liking or preferring Joe Biden?
Posted on 9/2/20 at 12:48 pm to Cobrasize
Do you have anything to offer besides more whataboutism? I'm going to guess no. People burning shite down isn't OK. No one here has argued that it is so stop trying to insinuate that anyone is suggesting that. You know what else isn't OK? Going out to the scene of a riot with an AR to "defend" someone else's property and then shooting people when you suddenly find yourself at the scene of the riot you voluntarily went to. The presence of a riot does not give some slapdick wannabe cop the authority to travel to that location with an AR looking for a fight.
Posted on 9/2/20 at 12:54 pm to Robot Santa
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Do you have anything to offer besides more whataboutism?
It's the fallback when they've been treed on a subject.
Posted on 9/2/20 at 1:11 pm to The Spleen
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His presence with a gun certainly contributed to the volatile situation.
His presence with a gun was requested by a local business owner who already had one of his properties destroyed.
Posted on 9/2/20 at 1:12 pm to The Spleen
I'll say this...
My desire for unbiased fairness is due to not wanting to see either side suffer once a precedent is set.
One side wants to run roughshoddly afoul of the law just to "own" the other side with no regard how this would play out if/when the shoe of power ends up on the other foot.
My desire for unbiased fairness is due to not wanting to see either side suffer once a precedent is set.
One side wants to run roughshoddly afoul of the law just to "own" the other side with no regard how this would play out if/when the shoe of power ends up on the other foot.
Posted on 9/2/20 at 1:14 pm to stomp
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Would you agree with Rittenhouse if he were black and shot boogaloo agitator in the same manner?
If the roles were reversed and we had the exact same footage we have now? Absolutely.
Self-defense is self-defense. Why are you making this about race? Rittenhouse is white and shot three white guys.
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Posted on 9/2/20 at 1:15 pm to Robot Santa
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Imagine where we would be today if Kyle Rittenhouse had just stayed at home.
There'd probably be a lot more burned down buildings in Kenosha, Wisconsin.
Posted on 9/2/20 at 1:17 pm to Robot Santa
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If you go out looking for a fight you don't get to claim self defense when you find one.
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Oh wait, that's not at all what happened.
Posted on 9/2/20 at 1:20 pm to stomp
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What's the source of the unrest?
A convicted felon with federal warrants was in proximity to a person he was ordered to stay away from. That person called the police. The police responded. Said felon then decided to ignore police directives to drop his knife so they tased him. Twice. When that didn't work he decided to proclaim he had a gun in his car (which we now know was a lie) and went to "get it." Then he got shot 7 times.
That about cover it?
Posted on 9/2/20 at 1:21 pm to stomp
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My desire for unbiased fairness is due to not wanting to see either side suffer once a precedent is set.
One side wants to run roughshoddly afoul of the law just to "own" the other side with no regard how this would play out if/when the shoe of power ends up on the other foot.
I really don't understand how this kind of attitude has suddenly become radical liberalism over the last 4-5 years. At no point during my adult life did I consider myself a liberal until Trump was elected and the political center suddenly got tugged hard to the right. Now all of a sudden Mitt Romney is a RINO and Joe fricking Biden is a socialist. It's absolutely insane and I fear that we will never return to normal.
Posted on 9/2/20 at 1:23 pm to TideSaint
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Self-defense is self-defense. Why are you making this about race? Rittenhouse is white and shot three white guys
What is the legal definition and applications of self defense?
Posted on 9/2/20 at 1:23 pm to The Spleen
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Why is it so hard to criticize your chosen candidate for failing to condemn all the violence?
He's been offering federal assistance to Oregon, Washington, Wisconsin, basically every state who has experienced the most violence.
Is it his fault the governors of those states and mayors of those cities are choosing to turn him down?
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He refused to condemn his supporters driving around Portland this weekend shooting protester(and yes, some were probably rioters) with paintball guns. Do you think that behavior helps quell the unrest?
I'd probably think twice before burning down a building if someone were to shoot me in the arse with a paintball. Those things hurt.
Posted on 9/2/20 at 1:26 pm to Robot Santa
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You know what else isn't OK? Going out to the scene of a riot with an AR to "defend" someone else's property
He initially went to the scene of a riot and rendered first aid to, get this, the RIOTERS. Crazy, huh?
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and then shooting people when you suddenly find yourself at the scene of the riot you voluntarily went to.
Is that what happened? Doesn't appear that way in the video footage. He didn't just start shooting people. He was attacked. He responded in kind. You know what we call that in the United States? Self-defense.
This post was edited on 9/2/20 at 1:27 pm
Posted on 9/2/20 at 1:26 pm to TideSaint
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He's been offering federal assistance to Oregon, Washington, Wisconsin, basically every state who has experienced the most violence.
Is it his fault the governors of those states and mayors of those cities are choosing to turn him down?
That doesn't address him ignoring one type of violence and zeroing in on another though.
Posted on 9/2/20 at 1:29 pm to TideSaint
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He's been offering federal assistance to Oregon, Washington, Wisconsin, basically every state who has experienced the most violence.
Is it his fault the governors of those states and mayors of those cities are choosing to turn him down?
That has nothing at all to do with my question. Trump's offer of federal assistance doesn't absolve him of refusing to condemn the violence committed by his supporters.
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I'd probably think twice before burning down a building if someone were to shoot me in the arse with a paintball. Those things hurt.
That also has absolutely nothing to do with what I said. Nobody gave those people the legal right to drive around shooting people with paintball guns. It should be easy for any person with a shred of human decency to condemn that behavior.
This post was edited on 9/2/20 at 1:31 pm
Posted on 9/2/20 at 1:31 pm to The Spleen
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It should be easy for any person with a shred of human decency to condemn that behavior.
Seems that you have identified the problem.
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