re: Is Justyn Ross Elite?

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Every NFL pundit from Atlanta to Los Angeles has him circled as the most "can't miss" prospect since Andrew Luck. He has every measurable one wants in a QB, and is the definition of "poised."

He carved up our defense, and many others throughout the year. Did we play our best football? No. But he was a true freshman, and a lot of kids his age wouldn't be able to take advantage of some of the errors we made on defense.

Right now Trevor Lawrence and Tua are both elite prospects who will be holding a jersey on-stage next to Roger Goodell before the first commercial break when it's their year to be drafted.

Unless your definition of "elite" is "certain NFL Hall of Famer," I think your being a bit biased about what happened last January, and you're evaluation of Trevor as a QB.

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Wouldn't know what any "pundit" says. They usually don't know shite and/or just keep repeating the same narratives because they are lazy and don't give a shite or going against the narrative can eat at their credibility.

Saw the same shite with Manziel and it was obvious as hell he was going to be a bust. They do not know shite, they are for entertainment purposes. But it was obvious to anyone who actually looked at the plays and how they happened that he did not have the skills claimed.

Not that Lawerence is a Manziel type, he's way better than Manziel.

So I reject your appeal to authority and choose to look at the game itself.

And on that note feel free to prove me wrong. I challenged the rant to this already and nobody could provide the footage. Again I saw 1 great play he made.

"Elite prospect" is a bit different than being elite. He has great arm strength and speed on the ball and the measurables. He has the potential to be elite, that doesn't mean he is elite already.

Go back and watch the game, I have several times. Look at how much time he has in the pocket. Look at how throw after throw is to open recivers. Count how many come at the expense of Savion Smith - like 70 of them in 1 play when he got injured.

Game starts about the 16 minute mark. I forget when the 1 play happens, it's not at the start. But he throws a nice pass that lands just over the defenders head. Outside that, please show me the plays that make him elite in your opinion.

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So you’re hating on him because our defense got their shite kicked in and he wasn’t required to make any “tough” throws that night?

How does that differ from any game where Tua would throw for 3 TDs on 12 passes to our stud WRs that we’re making opponent DBs look silly?

The kid is good, won’t kill you to give credit where credit is due.

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If you want to frame it that way, then have at it.

You can also say I hate on UCF because their schedule sucks.

Personally, I think it's just smart to take what actually happens on the field into account. People claim he did all this stuff against Alabama, "carved us up" some claim - and I just do not see it when I watch the game.

I give credit where credit is due. You want to talk about an elite Clemson QB who "carved up" Alabama then we can do that. That QB's name is Deshaun Watson and I will have absolutely NO trouble providing gifs and highlight footage of him making incredible throws and plays. Watson was 100% robbed of the Heisman and was the difference on the field in his games.

And for this most recent game, the credit is due to his offensive line, the defensive line and their coaches.

He may be the next greatest QB ever, but it's not because of anything he did vs Alabama that says it. We were on the other end of what we usually dish out.

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It's exactly what he's doing.

And in regards to "pundits" that's an overreaching term to lump in, pretty much everyone who is tied to the National Football League.

No one ever thought Manziel was "can't miss." He was in danger of falling to the second round until the worst run professional franchise in North American sports (with an infamous history of drafting bad QBs), moved up and pulled the trigger.

Trevor Lawrence is composed, football savy, and is quite literally, the physical makeup of what a prototype QB looks like. 6'5, huge wingspan, quick release, long step back drop, high release... I'm not really sure what the hell you're talking about to be quite honest.

This isn't the hill to die on, I assure you.

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And yet you still haven't shown the footage against Alabama that says he is an elite QB.

So easy to prove me wrong, and....all you can do is throw out his measurables.

Where did he carve up Alabama as you claimed? Show me these plays.

I can start with Watson if you want. I'll show a gif of Watson making an incredible/elite play against Alabama, and then you show me one of Lawrence in response.

Deal?

Why do you say that. It was a RPO, throw first, run second type offense.

Jeez it really is sad how easily and often Clemson WRs beat us down the field. Didn’t we realize that’s what they’re good at?

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Why are you so adamant about this? There's not going to be any comparable plays to gif out against that Watson play because..he didn't have to make throws like that. He made the right read almost all night to receivers that had great separation on said plays. That doesn't make him a subpar QB, it makes him a damn smart one at the very least, without even delving into the fact that he's about as prototypical as they come size and ability wise.

And before you rebuttal with the good ole "well he just threw at Savion all game", how can you blame the guy? If we didn't try and scheme that out and left 4 on Ross all game, I'd throw to him every damn play too when I needed to move the chains (if not more).

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Show me where I ever said he was "sub par". I can say plenty of good things about the kid and would be if people were trying to claim he sucked or that he was "sub par". If I'm a Clemson fan, I'm extremely happy.

What I can't say is that he "carved Alabama" up and that he was the reason Clemson won the game as so many want to claim or that he showed elite QB skills.

And btw, he did have opportunities to make Watson like plays. All QB's do. He didn't complete every single pass, there were times when defense held.

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Jalen Hurts is a better Qb than Kelly Bryant

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Bryant was like true freshman Hurts with even less passing ability and much poorer decision making.