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Posted on 7/14/18 at 1:05 am to TideSaint
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LB Mohamoud Diabate
40-yard dash: scratch
Shuttle: 4.44
Powerball: 40.5 feet
Vertical: 38.1 inches
SPARQ: No score
He threw the Powerball 3.5 inches further than Webb.
This post was edited on 7/14/18 at 1:06 am
Posted on 7/14/18 at 1:07 am to TideSaint
Midwest's top ten uncommitted recruits in the 2019 class
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The Midwest still has ten players rated as a four-star by the industry-generated 247Sports Composite who are uncommitted. We take a look at where those players stand currently and what their next moves may be when the current dead period ends.
Posted on 7/14/18 at 1:07 am to TideSaint
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4. JAMESON WILLIAMS, WIDE RECEIVER, ST. LOUIS (MO.) CARDINAL RITTER
No. 141 overall, 247Sports Composite
Williams took an official visit to Ohio State the final weekend before the dead period. Before that, he visited Alabama. The odds are extremely high that one of those two schools wins out in the end for the speedy pass-catcher. The Buckeyes lead on the Crystal Ball and Williams' comments after his last visit, saying they are the school to beat, should make those prognosticators feel confident about their pick.
Posted on 7/14/18 at 1:08 am to TideSaint
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6. MILTON WRIGHT, WIDE RECEIVER, LOUISVILLE CHRISTIAN ACADEMY
No. 183 overall, 247Sports Composite
Local favorite Louisville leads on the Crystal Ball, his relationship with the staff, particularly wide receivers coach Lonnie Galloway among the main reasons analysts have made those predictions. Alabama, Ohio State, Purdue and Kentucky are the schools looking to unseat the Cardinals in this race. His most recent visit was to Alabama and Wright spoke highly of the Tide following the visit. He is planning to take some official visits in the fall before making a decision.
Posted on 7/14/18 at 1:10 am to TideSaint
And fin...
Posted on 7/14/18 at 11:23 am to TideSaint
Lol, I don't like the Falcons but that's a cool cat right there. Arthur actually cares about his players and treats them well. Not just depreciable assets for him.
Posted on 7/14/18 at 11:48 am to YStar
ATTENTION: For those who may have missed it, the following link has been added as the first line of the first post in this thread for easy reference.
Signing and Counter Limits / NCAA Bylaws
The next two posts contain copies of the two sequential posts in this thread that it links to.
I know - tl;dr. But I do recommend reading the brief six important things to undertand portion of the next post, because there are common misconceptions about those things that get perpetuated by forum posters.
I posted this stuff a few days ago, and it raised a few good questions. So I did more research and enhanced the six (was four) important things to understand portion and added a good article link.
Signing and Counter Limits / NCAA Bylaws
The next two posts contain copies of the two sequential posts in this thread that it links to.
I know - tl;dr. But I do recommend reading the brief six important things to undertand portion of the next post, because there are common misconceptions about those things that get perpetuated by forum posters.
I posted this stuff a few days ago, and it raised a few good questions. So I did more research and enhanced the six (was four) important things to understand portion and added a good article link.
This post was edited on 7/17/18 at 4:31 pm
Posted on 7/14/18 at 11:48 am to TidalSurge1
Signing and Counter Limits / NCAA Bylaws
NCAA Bylaws sections concerning FBS signing and counter limits are posted below. The basic 25/85 (initial/total) scholarship limits are fairly common knowledge, but to help clear up some common misconceptions about them, here are six important things to understand:
1) Transfers (all types) do count toward annual signee and initial counter limits. There's nothing in the Bylaws stating that transfers are exempt. Per section 13.9.2.3, both prospective student-athletes and student-athletes (all-inclusive) do count toward the signee limits. Section 15.02.3 defines "counter" as an individual (all-inclusive) who's on countable scholarship. Per 15.02.3.1, an “initial counter” is a counter (all-inclusive) who's receiving an initial countable scholarship.
2) Non-qualifiers who signed an NLI still count against their original signee spot and then count against the corresponding initial counter spot at that school if/when they enroll there after JUCO.
3) Grayshirts (15.5.6.3.2) — Deferred enrollees (after fall term) may count toward signee and initial counter limits for the next academic year.
4) Blueshirts (15.5.6.3.4) — The signings limit (effective for the 2018 cycle) ends the ability for non-recruited (no OV, no off-campus meeting, no NLI; 15.02.8) players to receive fall scholarships (within the 85 limit) and count toward the next year's initial counters limit because they'll count toward the current academic year signees limit.
5) Early enrollees (15.5.6.3.5) who are midyear replacements for December or prior academic year graduates may be counted against unused prior cycle signee and initial counter spots. FBS schools may only use the midyear replacement option if they had 85 counters in the fall term.
6) Non-athletic aid (15.5.6.3.7) — A recruited player (OV, off-campus meeting or NLI; 15.02.8) on non-athletic scholarship only counts toward signee and initial/total limits if/when he plays in a game. Exception (15.5.1.2.1) — A recruited player on academic scholarship, after one year with a 3.0/4.0 GPA, may then play and remain a non-counter. Apparently, a non-recruited player on non-athletic aid may play as a non-counter.
Note: A forum search for "NCAA Bylaws" will retrieve some additional explanatory posts.
Helpful article: A deep dive inside the NCAA's tweaked 25-man signing limit...
NCAA Bylaws: (PDF - free download)
13.9.2.3 Limitation on the Number of National Letter of Intent/Offer of Financial Aid Signings. [FBS] For the football bowl subdivision, there shall be an annual limit of 25 on the number of prospective student-athletes who may sign a National Letter of Intent or an institutional offer of financial aid and student-athletes who may sign a financial aid agreement for the first time. (Revised: 4/26/17 effective 8/1/17 for signings that occur on or after 8/1/17)
13.9.2.3.1 Application. [FBS] A prospective student-athlete who signs a National Letter of Intent (NLI) or an institutional offer of financial aid or student-athlete who signs a financial aid agreement that specifies financial aid will be initially provided in the fall term of an academic year shall count toward the annual limit on signings for that academic year. A prospective student-athlete who signs a National Letter of Intent (NLI) or an institutional offer of financial aid or student-athlete who signs a financial aid agreement that specifies financial aid will be initially provided during the second or third term of the academic year may count toward the limit for that academic year or the next academic year. (Revised: 4/26/17 effective 8/1/17 for signings that occur on or after 8/1/17)
15.02.3 Counter. A “counter” is an individual who is receiving institutional financial aid that is countable against the aid limitations in a sport.
15.02.3.1 Initial Counter. An “initial counter” is a counter who is receiving countable financial aid in a sport for the first time. (See Bylaw 15.5.6.3 in football for instances in which the institution is permitted to defer the counting of such financial aid until the following academic year.)
15.02.8 Recruited Student-Athlete. For purpose of Bylaw 15, a recruited student-athlete is a student-athlete who, as a prospective student-athlete: (Adopted: 1/15/11 effective 8/1/11)
(a) Was provided an official visit to the institution’s campus;
(b) Had an arranged, in-person, off-campus encounter with a member of the institution’s coaching staff (including any such encounter with the prospective student-athlete’s parents, relatives or legal guardians); or
(c) Was issued a National Letter of Intent or a written offer of athletically related financial aid by the institution for a regular academic term.
The NCAA Bylaws concerning how players are counted against the 25 initial counters and 85 total counters limits are in the next post.
NCAA Bylaws sections concerning FBS signing and counter limits are posted below. The basic 25/85 (initial/total) scholarship limits are fairly common knowledge, but to help clear up some common misconceptions about them, here are six important things to understand:
1) Transfers (all types) do count toward annual signee and initial counter limits. There's nothing in the Bylaws stating that transfers are exempt. Per section 13.9.2.3, both prospective student-athletes and student-athletes (all-inclusive) do count toward the signee limits. Section 15.02.3 defines "counter" as an individual (all-inclusive) who's on countable scholarship. Per 15.02.3.1, an “initial counter” is a counter (all-inclusive) who's receiving an initial countable scholarship.
2) Non-qualifiers who signed an NLI still count against their original signee spot and then count against the corresponding initial counter spot at that school if/when they enroll there after JUCO.
3) Grayshirts (15.5.6.3.2) — Deferred enrollees (after fall term) may count toward signee and initial counter limits for the next academic year.
4) Blueshirts (15.5.6.3.4) — The signings limit (effective for the 2018 cycle) ends the ability for non-recruited (no OV, no off-campus meeting, no NLI; 15.02.8) players to receive fall scholarships (within the 85 limit) and count toward the next year's initial counters limit because they'll count toward the current academic year signees limit.
5) Early enrollees (15.5.6.3.5) who are midyear replacements for December or prior academic year graduates may be counted against unused prior cycle signee and initial counter spots. FBS schools may only use the midyear replacement option if they had 85 counters in the fall term.
6) Non-athletic aid (15.5.6.3.7) — A recruited player (OV, off-campus meeting or NLI; 15.02.8) on non-athletic scholarship only counts toward signee and initial/total limits if/when he plays in a game. Exception (15.5.1.2.1) — A recruited player on academic scholarship, after one year with a 3.0/4.0 GPA, may then play and remain a non-counter. Apparently, a non-recruited player on non-athletic aid may play as a non-counter.
Note: A forum search for "NCAA Bylaws" will retrieve some additional explanatory posts.
Helpful article: A deep dive inside the NCAA's tweaked 25-man signing limit...
NCAA Bylaws: (PDF - free download)
13.9.2.3 Limitation on the Number of National Letter of Intent/Offer of Financial Aid Signings. [FBS] For the football bowl subdivision, there shall be an annual limit of 25 on the number of prospective student-athletes who may sign a National Letter of Intent or an institutional offer of financial aid and student-athletes who may sign a financial aid agreement for the first time. (Revised: 4/26/17 effective 8/1/17 for signings that occur on or after 8/1/17)
13.9.2.3.1 Application. [FBS] A prospective student-athlete who signs a National Letter of Intent (NLI) or an institutional offer of financial aid or student-athlete who signs a financial aid agreement that specifies financial aid will be initially provided in the fall term of an academic year shall count toward the annual limit on signings for that academic year. A prospective student-athlete who signs a National Letter of Intent (NLI) or an institutional offer of financial aid or student-athlete who signs a financial aid agreement that specifies financial aid will be initially provided during the second or third term of the academic year may count toward the limit for that academic year or the next academic year. (Revised: 4/26/17 effective 8/1/17 for signings that occur on or after 8/1/17)
15.02.3 Counter. A “counter” is an individual who is receiving institutional financial aid that is countable against the aid limitations in a sport.
15.02.3.1 Initial Counter. An “initial counter” is a counter who is receiving countable financial aid in a sport for the first time. (See Bylaw 15.5.6.3 in football for instances in which the institution is permitted to defer the counting of such financial aid until the following academic year.)
15.02.8 Recruited Student-Athlete. For purpose of Bylaw 15, a recruited student-athlete is a student-athlete who, as a prospective student-athlete: (Adopted: 1/15/11 effective 8/1/11)
(a) Was provided an official visit to the institution’s campus;
(b) Had an arranged, in-person, off-campus encounter with a member of the institution’s coaching staff (including any such encounter with the prospective student-athlete’s parents, relatives or legal guardians); or
(c) Was issued a National Letter of Intent or a written offer of athletically related financial aid by the institution for a regular academic term.
The NCAA Bylaws concerning how players are counted against the 25 initial counters and 85 total counters limits are in the next post.
This post was edited on 7/22/18 at 10:03 am
Posted on 7/14/18 at 11:48 am to TidalSurge1
NCAA Bylaws:
15.5.6 Football Limitations.
15.5.6.1 Bowl Subdivision Football. [FBS] There shall be an annual limit of 25 on the number of initial counters (per Bylaw 15.02.3.1) and an annual limit of 85 on the total number of counters (including initial counters) in football at each institution. (Revised: 1/10/91 effective 8/1/92, 12/15/06)
15.5.6.3 Initial Counters—Football (Also see Bylaw 15.02.3.1).
15.5.6.3.1 Recruited Student-Athlete Entering in Fall Term, Aided in First Year. [FBS/FCS] A student-athlete recruited (see Bylaw 15.02.8) by the awarding institution who enters in the fall term and receives institutional financial aid (based in any degree on athletics ability) during the first academic year in residence shall be an initial counter for that year in football. Therefore, such aid shall not be awarded if the institution has reached its limit on the number of initial counters prior to the award of institutional financial aid to the student-athlete.(Revised: 1/15/11 effective 8/1/11)
15.5.6.3.2 Recruited Student-Athlete Entering After Fall Term, Aided in First Year. [FBS/FCS] A student-athlete recruited (per Bylaw 15.02.8) by the awarding institution who enters after the first term of the academic year and immediately receives institutional financial aid (based in any degree on athletics ability) shall be an initial counter for either the current academic year (if the institution’s annual limit has not been reached) or the next academic year. The student-athlete shall be included in the institution’s total counter limit during the academic year in which the aid was first received. (Revised: 1/15/11 effective 8/1/11)
15.5.6.3.3 Recruited Student-Athlete, Aid Received After First Year. [FBS/FCS] A recruited student-athlete (per Bylaw 15.02.8) (including a student-athlete who was not a qualifier) who first receives athletically related financial aid after the student-athlete’s first academic year in residence shall be an initial counter for that academic year in which the aid is first received, if such aid is received during the fall term. However, such a student athlete who first receives athletically related financial aid in the second or third term of an academic year may be considered an initial counter during the academic year in which aid was first received or the next academic year. In either case, the student-athlete shall be included in the institution’s total counter limit during the academic year in which the aid was first received. (Revised: 1/3/06, 1/15/11 effective 8/1/11)
15.5.6.3.4 Nonrecruited Student-Athlete Receiving Institutional Financial Aid. [FBS/FCS] A student-athlete not recruited (per Bylaw 15.02.8) by the institution who receives institutional financial aid (based in any degree on athletics ability) after beginning football practice becomes a counter but need not be counted as an initial counter until the next academic year if the institution has reached its initial limit for the year in question. However, the student-athlete shall be considered in the total counter limit for the academic year in which the aid was first received. (Revised: 1/15/11 effective 8/1/11)
15.5.6.3.5 Midyear Replacement. [FBS/FCS] A counter who graduates at midyear or who graduates during the previous academic year (including summer) may be replaced by an initial counter, who shall be counted against the initial limit either for the year in which the aid is awarded (if the institution’s annual limit has not been reached) or for the following academic year, or by a student-athlete who was an initial counter in a previous academic year and is returning to the institution after time spent on active duty in the armed services or on an official religious mission. In bowl subdivision football, an institution may use the midyear replacement exception only if it previously has provided financial aid during that academic year to the maximum number of overall counters (85 total counters). In championship subdivision football, an institution may use the midyear replacement exception only if it previously has provided financial aid during that academic year that equals the maximum number of overall equivalencies or overall counters. (Revised: 4/20/99 effective 8/1/99, 6/8/99, 4/26/01 effective 8/1/01, 8/2/05, 12/15/06, 1/14/08 effective 8/1/08, 4/2/10, 1/15/11)
15.5.6.3.6 Aid First Awarded After Second Year. [FBS/FCS] A student-athlete who has been in residence at the certifying institution for at least two academic years may receive athletically related financial aid for the first time without such aid counting as an initial award, provided the aid falls within the overall grant limitation. (Adopted: 1/11/89, Revised: 1/10/90 effective 8/1/90)
15.5.6.3.7 Recruited Student-Athlete, Varsity Competition. [FBS/FCS] In accordance with Bylaw 15.5.1.2, a recruited student-athlete (per Bylaw 15.02.8) receiving institutional financial aid certified as having been granted without regard in any degree to athletics ability becomes an initial counter in the first academic year in which the student-athlete competes on the varsity level. (See Bylaw 15.5.1.2.1.) (Revised: 10/27/05 effective 8/1/06, 1/15/11 effective 8/1/11)
15.5.6.3.8 Returning Two-Year Transfer. [FBS/FCS] A student-athlete who previously was an initial counter and who transferred to a two-year college shall not be an initial counter upon return to the original institution.
15.5.6.3.9 Delayed Initial Counter Who Does Not Return to School. [FBS/FCS] A student-athlete who receives countable financial aid but whose status as an initial counter under this bylaw is delayed until the following academic year shall be counted against the initial limit the following academic year, regardless of whether the student-athlete reports for participation or attends the institution in that academic year.
15.5.6.4 Exceptions.
15.5.6.4.1 Voluntary Withdrawal. [FBS/FCS] An institution may replace a counter who voluntarily withdraws from the football team by providing the financial aid to another student who already has enrolled in the institution and is a member of the football squad. For this replacement to occur, the counter must withdraw prior to the first day of classes or before the first game of the season, whichever is earlier, and provide the institution with a signed statement releasing the institution from its obligation to provide institutional financial aid and verifying the voluntary nature of the withdrawal. The institution may immediately (beginning with the fall term) award the financial aid to a student-athlete who has been a member of the team for at least one academic year and has not previously received athletically related financial aid. A student-athlete who has not been a member of the team for at least one academic year may not receive the financial aid during the fall term, but may receive it in a following term (e.g., spring semester, winter quarter). (Revised: 4/28/05 effective 8/1/05)
15.5.6 Football Limitations.
15.5.6.1 Bowl Subdivision Football. [FBS] There shall be an annual limit of 25 on the number of initial counters (per Bylaw 15.02.3.1) and an annual limit of 85 on the total number of counters (including initial counters) in football at each institution. (Revised: 1/10/91 effective 8/1/92, 12/15/06)
15.5.6.3 Initial Counters—Football (Also see Bylaw 15.02.3.1).
15.5.6.3.1 Recruited Student-Athlete Entering in Fall Term, Aided in First Year. [FBS/FCS] A student-athlete recruited (see Bylaw 15.02.8) by the awarding institution who enters in the fall term and receives institutional financial aid (based in any degree on athletics ability) during the first academic year in residence shall be an initial counter for that year in football. Therefore, such aid shall not be awarded if the institution has reached its limit on the number of initial counters prior to the award of institutional financial aid to the student-athlete.(Revised: 1/15/11 effective 8/1/11)
15.5.6.3.2 Recruited Student-Athlete Entering After Fall Term, Aided in First Year. [FBS/FCS] A student-athlete recruited (per Bylaw 15.02.8) by the awarding institution who enters after the first term of the academic year and immediately receives institutional financial aid (based in any degree on athletics ability) shall be an initial counter for either the current academic year (if the institution’s annual limit has not been reached) or the next academic year. The student-athlete shall be included in the institution’s total counter limit during the academic year in which the aid was first received. (Revised: 1/15/11 effective 8/1/11)
15.5.6.3.3 Recruited Student-Athlete, Aid Received After First Year. [FBS/FCS] A recruited student-athlete (per Bylaw 15.02.8) (including a student-athlete who was not a qualifier) who first receives athletically related financial aid after the student-athlete’s first academic year in residence shall be an initial counter for that academic year in which the aid is first received, if such aid is received during the fall term. However, such a student athlete who first receives athletically related financial aid in the second or third term of an academic year may be considered an initial counter during the academic year in which aid was first received or the next academic year. In either case, the student-athlete shall be included in the institution’s total counter limit during the academic year in which the aid was first received. (Revised: 1/3/06, 1/15/11 effective 8/1/11)
15.5.6.3.4 Nonrecruited Student-Athlete Receiving Institutional Financial Aid. [FBS/FCS] A student-athlete not recruited (per Bylaw 15.02.8) by the institution who receives institutional financial aid (based in any degree on athletics ability) after beginning football practice becomes a counter but need not be counted as an initial counter until the next academic year if the institution has reached its initial limit for the year in question. However, the student-athlete shall be considered in the total counter limit for the academic year in which the aid was first received. (Revised: 1/15/11 effective 8/1/11)
15.5.6.3.5 Midyear Replacement. [FBS/FCS] A counter who graduates at midyear or who graduates during the previous academic year (including summer) may be replaced by an initial counter, who shall be counted against the initial limit either for the year in which the aid is awarded (if the institution’s annual limit has not been reached) or for the following academic year, or by a student-athlete who was an initial counter in a previous academic year and is returning to the institution after time spent on active duty in the armed services or on an official religious mission. In bowl subdivision football, an institution may use the midyear replacement exception only if it previously has provided financial aid during that academic year to the maximum number of overall counters (85 total counters). In championship subdivision football, an institution may use the midyear replacement exception only if it previously has provided financial aid during that academic year that equals the maximum number of overall equivalencies or overall counters. (Revised: 4/20/99 effective 8/1/99, 6/8/99, 4/26/01 effective 8/1/01, 8/2/05, 12/15/06, 1/14/08 effective 8/1/08, 4/2/10, 1/15/11)
15.5.6.3.6 Aid First Awarded After Second Year. [FBS/FCS] A student-athlete who has been in residence at the certifying institution for at least two academic years may receive athletically related financial aid for the first time without such aid counting as an initial award, provided the aid falls within the overall grant limitation. (Adopted: 1/11/89, Revised: 1/10/90 effective 8/1/90)
15.5.6.3.7 Recruited Student-Athlete, Varsity Competition. [FBS/FCS] In accordance with Bylaw 15.5.1.2, a recruited student-athlete (per Bylaw 15.02.8) receiving institutional financial aid certified as having been granted without regard in any degree to athletics ability becomes an initial counter in the first academic year in which the student-athlete competes on the varsity level. (See Bylaw 15.5.1.2.1.) (Revised: 10/27/05 effective 8/1/06, 1/15/11 effective 8/1/11)
15.5.6.3.8 Returning Two-Year Transfer. [FBS/FCS] A student-athlete who previously was an initial counter and who transferred to a two-year college shall not be an initial counter upon return to the original institution.
15.5.6.3.9 Delayed Initial Counter Who Does Not Return to School. [FBS/FCS] A student-athlete who receives countable financial aid but whose status as an initial counter under this bylaw is delayed until the following academic year shall be counted against the initial limit the following academic year, regardless of whether the student-athlete reports for participation or attends the institution in that academic year.
15.5.6.4 Exceptions.
15.5.6.4.1 Voluntary Withdrawal. [FBS/FCS] An institution may replace a counter who voluntarily withdraws from the football team by providing the financial aid to another student who already has enrolled in the institution and is a member of the football squad. For this replacement to occur, the counter must withdraw prior to the first day of classes or before the first game of the season, whichever is earlier, and provide the institution with a signed statement releasing the institution from its obligation to provide institutional financial aid and verifying the voluntary nature of the withdrawal. The institution may immediately (beginning with the fall term) award the financial aid to a student-athlete who has been a member of the team for at least one academic year and has not previously received athletically related financial aid. A student-athlete who has not been a member of the team for at least one academic year may not receive the financial aid during the fall term, but may receive it in a following term (e.g., spring semester, winter quarter). (Revised: 4/28/05 effective 8/1/05)
This post was edited on 7/17/18 at 3:42 pm
Posted on 7/14/18 at 12:19 pm to TidalSurge1
Is there a tl;dr version of this? 
Posted on 7/14/18 at 12:32 pm to SXV
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Is there a tl;dr version of this?
The basics of NCAA Bylaws 25/85 scholarship limits are fairly common knowledge, but there are some common misconceptions about them. The six important things to understand portion should help clear those up. Just read that part. It's not long. Here it is:
1) Transfers (all types) do count toward annual signee and initial counter limits. There's nothing in the Bylaws stating that transfers are exempt. Per section 13.9.2.3, both prospective student-athletes and student-athletes (all-inclusive) do count toward the signee limits. Section 15.02.3 defines "counter" as an individual (all-inclusive) who's on countable scholarship. Per 15.02.3.1, an “initial counter” is a counter (all-inclusive) who's receiving an initial countable scholarship.
2) Non-qualifiers who signed an NLI still count against their original signee spot and then count against the corresponding initial counter spot at that school if/when they enroll there after JUCO.
3) Grayshirts (15.5.6.3.2) — Deferred enrollees (after fall term) may count toward signee and initial counter limits for the next academic year.
4) Blueshirts (15.5.6.3.4) — The signings limit (effective for the 2018 cycle) ends the ability for non-recruited (no OV, no off-campus meeting, no NLI; 15.02.8) players to receive fall scholarships (within the 85 limit) and count toward the next year's initial counters limit because they'll count toward the current academic year signees limit.
5) Early enrollees (15.5.6.3.5) who are midyear replacements for December or prior academic year graduates may be counted against unused prior cycle signee and initial counter spots. FBS schools may only use the midyear replacement option if they had 85 counters in the fall term.
6) Non-athletic aid (15.5.6.3.7) — A recruited player (OV, off-campus meeting or NLI; 15.02.8) on non-athletic scholarship only counts toward signee and initial/total limits if/when he plays in a game. Exception (15.5.1.2.1) — A recruited player on academic scholarship, after one year with a 3.0/4.0 GPA, may then play and remain a non-counter. Apparently, a non-recruited player on non-athletic aid may play as a non-counter.
Note: A forum search for "NCAA Bylaws" will retrieve some additional explanatory posts.
Helpful article: A deep dive inside the NCAA's tweaked 25-man signing limit...
This post was edited on 7/22/18 at 10:06 am
Posted on 7/14/18 at 12:51 pm to TidalSurge1
I'm still not convinced that a transfer counts against the 25 initial counters. It seems that language would be clearly and unmistakably present in the rule itself. "A transferring student athlete from another member institution shall count against the 25 initial counter signing limit." I can see where you would get your thought from reading the current rule, I just think it's pretty unclear. TS, have you ever considered emailing our compliance director to see if he would shed some light on it?
This post was edited on 7/14/18 at 12:54 pm
Posted on 7/14/18 at 2:26 pm to tider04
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I'm still not convinced that a transfer counts against the 25 initial counters. It seems that language would be clearly and unmistakably present in the rule itself. "A transferring student athlete from another member institution shall count against the 25 initial counter signing limit." I can see where you would get your thought from reading the current rule, I just think it's pretty unclear. TS, have you ever considered emailing our compliance director to see if he would shed some light on it?
As I clearly showed, the NCAA Bylaws language defining and describing who counts is inclusive of all student-athletes. I posted all sections of the Bylaws covering how and when they are counted as well as exceptions. I have searched the NCAA Bylaws for anything indicating that transfers are an exception to that all-inclusive language and found nothing. I don't like it either, but it is what it is. So, if you're still not convinced transfers count as signees and initial counters, then maybe you should email UA's compliance director to see if he agrees with you.
ETA: I'm trying to be a Mr-Know-it-all or a smart-arse toward you. I'd like for you to email him and ask him if my interpretation is wrong.
This post was edited on 7/14/18 at 8:22 pm
Posted on 7/14/18 at 4:04 pm to TideSaint
From a poster on BOL:
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This list is overlooking my nephew Robby Ashford QB Hoover High School. He is unable to practice right now due to injury. His frame is similar to Cameron Newtown's and he is still growing. He is and will be one of the top QB's in the nation when all is said and done. Don't sleep on the QB in your own back yard. Auburn damn sure ain't! His father and I are both Bama Alumni. RMFTR!!!!!!!!
Posted on 7/14/18 at 4:27 pm to TideSaint
I just watched his first pinned highlight. I wasn't expecting much but the kid is actually pretty good. He's strong and can run and has nice touch on his passes.
Posted on 7/14/18 at 5:08 pm to TideSaint
Akeem Dent and Christian Williams both run 4.64 40's? That will get them beat on a lot of deep balls.
Posted on 7/14/18 at 5:16 pm to TideSaint
Well in fairness both of our QB commits are also in “our backyard.”
Posted on 7/14/18 at 5:21 pm to Evolved Simian
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Akeem Dent and Christian Williams both run 4.64 40's? That will get them beat on a lot of deep balls.
Let's say the WR runs a 4.44 40 and the CB runs a 4.64 40. If they're both already running at about the same speed at the point the CB's cushion is gone, how much can the WR then outrun the CB by within the QB's range? Assume the QB's range is 60 yards minus a 10-yd drop back. How big of a lead can the WR gain in his 40-50 yard route due to his 0.2-sec/40-yds advantage? Is it even a foot or just inches? It seems to me the ball would have to be thown perfectly where it hits the WRs outstretched hands at his full speed, for the CB be unable to make a play for the ball or grab the WR's arm(s) a fraction of a second after the WR touches the ball and thereby breakup the catch.
This post was edited on 7/14/18 at 6:30 pm
Posted on 7/14/18 at 5:42 pm to Evolved Simian
Huge difference between track speed and game speed.
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