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re: Boz, will you be at today’s scrimmage? (Redux)

Posted on 8/21/18 at 10:15 am to
Posted by John Milner
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Posted on 8/21/18 at 10:15 am to
All the "we could have packages for Jalen" points are moot if he plans to transfer when he gradauates, because if that's the case he's going to want to play in 4 games at most.
Posted by Sneaky__Sally
Member since Jul 2015
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Posted on 8/21/18 at 10:17 am to
Ok ... I don't understand the point of that comment.
Posted by John Milner
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Posted on 8/21/18 at 10:25 am to
quote:

Ok ... I don't understand the point of that comm


If Hurts plans to transfer in December, as is widely speculated, then he would not want to play in more than 4 games because if he did he would have to sit out a year. At least, I think that also applies to graduate transfers, but I am not sure about it. If not, then good.
Posted by bamasgot13
Birmingham
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 8/21/18 at 10:33 am to
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If Hurts plans to transfer in December, as is widely speculated, then he would not want to play in more than 4 games because if he did he would have to sit out a year. At least, I think that also applies to graduate transfers, but I am not sure about it. If not, then good.



No. whether he plays every game or zero games, he can transfer as a graduate without sitting out. however, if he plays 4 games or less, he can maintain this year of eligibility as a "redshirt" year under the new rules and still have 2 years to play elsewhere if he does grad transfer.
Posted by Sneaky__Sally
Member since Jul 2015
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Posted on 8/21/18 at 10:41 am to
I mean i understand what you were saying, but in the event Tua gets hurt or something like that Alabama may need to build a somewhat functional offense around these packages.

I just don't see why the transfer rules and the hypothetical would make the discussion of how the offense may function with Hurts pointless. Especially since this is all hypothetical discussion.
Posted by John Milner
Member since Jan 2015
7917 posts
Posted on 8/21/18 at 10:42 am to
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if he plays 4 games or less, he can maintain this year of eligibility as a "redshirt" year under the new rules and still have 2 years to play elsewhere if he does grad transfer.


Thanks for the clarification, which makes sense, considering any player has only 4 years to play.

So if plans to transfer to play elsewhere, he'd probably still want to play no more than 4 games this year.

That aside, if he loses the job to Tagovailoa, I wonder if he'd be "all in". His comments already, about his responsibility to himself and his parents, and his "brand" doesn't exactly make me feel all warm and fuzzy.
Posted by John Milner
Member since Jan 2015
7917 posts
Posted on 8/21/18 at 10:44 am to
quote:

Especially since this is all hypothetical discussion.


Oh well hell. If it's all just hypothetical, I hope Alabama wins every game for eternity.
Posted by Sneaky__Sally
Member since Jul 2015
12364 posts
Posted on 8/21/18 at 10:49 am to
Me too! That isn't really what I was getting at though.

I actually meant your musings on Hurts mindset, intentions, etc. were hypothetical, similar to the speculation on how he may best be utilized in the offense though. As well as that he could end up being a very necessary and important player for this team in a variety of hypothetical scenarios which are equally likely as the one you proposed.
Posted by TidalSurge1
Ft Walton Beach
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 8/21/18 at 11:07 am to
I don't think it's really in Jaylen's best interest to redshirt. If he wants to transfer in January to be the #1 QB on another team, it's probably better for him to play as much as he can as the #2 QB at Bama this season.

Imo, a grad transfer QB with 2 years of eligibility who's only played mop up in 4 games in 2018 after a not very good showing during the latter part of the prior season (likely stagnating his development and getting rusty) is less attractive than if he has one year of eligibility but has played three times as much during 2018 to continue his development and demonstrate that he's improved in the areas he'd struggle with.

It seems to me that continuing his development will raise his stock as a grad transfer more than holding a clipboard on the sidelines to preserve another year of eligibility will. And having only one year of eligibility left probably wouldn't drop his grad transfer stock very much, if any.

For example, LSU would've probably still taken the OSU grad transfer QB regardless of whether he had two years or only one year of eligibility left. Likewise, UT would've still taken Brandon Kennedy if he only had one year of eligibility left.

ETA: If the grad transfer QB LSU added only had one year to play, LSU might've been able to hang on to at least one of the two young QBs that decided to transfer out.

Bottom line: The four game redshirt rule is nice, but I don't think it makes sense for Jalen to try to redshirt this season. If he wants to do that, Bama should seriously consider making Mac the #2 QB this season instead of Jalen. Give Mac the reps to develop him, in case Tua gets injured.
This post was edited on 8/21/18 at 11:57 am
Posted by The Spleen
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 8/21/18 at 11:08 am to
I'm not really a fan of any type of a 2-QB system. Go with one guy for the bulk of the game. Sucks for the guy that doesn't get to play, but that's sports sometimes.

Regardless of how they look or play in practice, I think Tua is the better choice given the stable of RBs we have. Hurts's strength is his running ability, but with the arm talent Tua has, that would open up a LOT of space for the RBs to exploit.
Posted by Sneaky__Sally
Member since Jul 2015
12364 posts
Posted on 8/21/18 at 11:12 am to
Ya i'm of the same mind and would be shocked if Tua isn't the guy this season.
Posted by llfshoals
Member since Nov 2010
20219 posts
Posted on 8/21/18 at 11:25 am to
I would have to agree. I was first impressed in the HS 7 on 7 how fast he went from looking to throwing when he saw something he liked. More often than not it was right on the money too.

Anyone that tried to stack the box on him had better have exceptional defensive backs. He’ll burn teams that don’t based on what we have seen so far
Posted by TidalSurge1
Ft Walton Beach
Member since Sep 2016
36467 posts
Posted on 8/21/18 at 12:11 pm to
There's no doubt in my mind that Tua will be the #1 QB. It'll be interesting to see how the play calling differs when the #2 QB is on the field.
This post was edited on 8/21/18 at 2:28 pm
Posted by TidalSurge1
Ft Walton Beach
Member since Sep 2016
36467 posts
Posted on 8/21/18 at 9:54 pm to
LINK ]Saban says scoring ability will play a factor in QB battle (BamaOnLine)



ETA: Reliable BOL insider -- "When the media leaves Tua is the guy. Saban keeps Jalen ahead in drills...but when they leave Tua is up 1st and has gotten most the 1st team reps."
This post was edited on 8/21/18 at 10:27 pm
Posted by samson73103
Krypton
Member since Nov 2008
8985 posts
Posted on 8/22/18 at 8:48 am to
quote:

he's going against a first ballot NFL hall of famer in tua

The Throwin’ Samoan has the potential to do great things but let’s not get ahead of ourselves.
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