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Posted on 7/19/20 at 2:16 am to JustGetItRight
Posted on 7/19/20 at 2:16 am to JustGetItRight
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That sounds like shaky ground then and it makes me lean to political motives.
It absolutely was political. Much like our AG pissin in the wind over the Bham & Montgomery mayors pushing for ordinances (notice, Marshall never barked at the Tuscaloosa mayor).
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Posted on 7/19/20 at 6:32 am to stomp
Marshall never filed suit or even threatened to file suit against either Montgomery or Birmingham.
In Birmingham’s case he wrote a letter that said in effect “we are getting calls out the arse over this. You need to reconsider how you are going to enforce it and you’re probably gonna get sued by a bunch of people.” It also wasn’t about the ordinance as a whole but rather parts of the initial version which required masks everywhere even if alone in an office building. You can read it here. Birmingham amended their ordinance 5 days later and the issues with it became moot.
In Montgomery’s case, again no suit was filed or even threatened and the issue wasn’t masks. Reed used the public health order as a basis to unilaterally enforce a 10 customer at once limit on all stores - including big boxes. The letter said the interpretation was wrong (which it clearly was) and thus what Montgomery was going was illegal. It went on to say, however, if Montgomery wanted to pass a more restrictive local limit they were well within their authority to do so. Montgomery chose to not go that route. You can read about it Here
Warning that parts of an ordinance are legally flawed and that a body has misinterpreted a statewide order are nowhere near the same as suing over a municipality’s right to do something. In Montgomery’s case Marshall specifically affirmed the city’s right to do it on their own if they wished. In both cases the bodies tacitly admitted Marshall was right by their actions after being contacted.
As far as Tuscaloosa goes, they passed their ordinance on 6/30 - two months after Birmingham. They had the benefit of learning from others that had blazed the trail. Also, Maddox is from the same party as Reed and Woodfin so that alone sinks the politics angle.
In Birmingham’s case he wrote a letter that said in effect “we are getting calls out the arse over this. You need to reconsider how you are going to enforce it and you’re probably gonna get sued by a bunch of people.” It also wasn’t about the ordinance as a whole but rather parts of the initial version which required masks everywhere even if alone in an office building. You can read it here. Birmingham amended their ordinance 5 days later and the issues with it became moot.
In Montgomery’s case, again no suit was filed or even threatened and the issue wasn’t masks. Reed used the public health order as a basis to unilaterally enforce a 10 customer at once limit on all stores - including big boxes. The letter said the interpretation was wrong (which it clearly was) and thus what Montgomery was going was illegal. It went on to say, however, if Montgomery wanted to pass a more restrictive local limit they were well within their authority to do so. Montgomery chose to not go that route. You can read about it Here
Warning that parts of an ordinance are legally flawed and that a body has misinterpreted a statewide order are nowhere near the same as suing over a municipality’s right to do something. In Montgomery’s case Marshall specifically affirmed the city’s right to do it on their own if they wished. In both cases the bodies tacitly admitted Marshall was right by their actions after being contacted.
As far as Tuscaloosa goes, they passed their ordinance on 6/30 - two months after Birmingham. They had the benefit of learning from others that had blazed the trail. Also, Maddox is from the same party as Reed and Woodfin so that alone sinks the politics angle.
This post was edited on 7/19/20 at 10:05 am
Posted on 7/19/20 at 10:13 am to Cobrasize
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The Trump administration announced new guidelines on Wednesday. Starting this week hospitals will be ordered to bypass the CDC and send ALL COVID-19 patient information to a central database in Washington DC.
Way past time, Cobrasize. Just one more thing the CDC fricked up in all of this. New story about it today.
No reliable guidance to the states on how to correctly report, because even the CDC didn't know how. That entire agency should be disbanded.
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This post was edited on 7/19/20 at 10:52 am
Posted on 7/19/20 at 10:44 am to Evolved Simian
You’re exactly right.
Posted on 7/19/20 at 11:06 am to Cobrasize
Not sure if it was CDC or hospitals reporting incorrectly but I sure as hell won’t trust Washington to put out numbers before election in November 
. In probably two weeks this virus will be “under control”.... I don’t trust any of em
. In probably two weeks this virus will be “under control”.... I don’t trust any of em Posted on 7/19/20 at 11:30 am to Bear88
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Not sure if it was CDC or hospitals reporting incorrectly but I sure as hell won’t trust Washington to put out numbers before election in November . In probably two weeks this virus will be “under control”.... I don’t trust any of em
The proverb "out of the frying pan into the fire" comes to mind.
Posted on 7/19/20 at 11:36 am to wm72
In a state like Mississippi in the year 2020 it should be very easy to see if CDC numbers did not align with hospitals and clinic numbers and see if they were over / under reporting... who will check on Washington ? Not a good look for Trump IMO
Posted on 7/19/20 at 11:49 am to Bear88
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In a state like Mississippi in the year 2020 it should be very easy to see if CDC numbers did not align with hospitals and clinic numbers and see if they were over / under reporting... who will check on Washington ? Not a good look for Trump IMO
Yeah, if the issue is increasing accuracy and transparency of numbers, the way to remove "politics" from it more would be the White House demanding more of that in CDC protocols for reporting.
To put it in the White House's hands -- who even conservative polls show the majority of the general public trusts less than anyone for fair and balanced information on the virus -- just turns "the politics" up to eleven.
Posted on 7/19/20 at 12:06 pm to wm72
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This post was edited on 7/19/20 at 12:11 pm
Posted on 7/19/20 at 12:20 pm to Bear88
You can’t trust any of these fricks. This whole thing reminds me of why I hate politics and government
Posted on 7/19/20 at 12:26 pm to Cobrasize
Amen to that 
Good thing about being a teacher... we are poor no matter who the elected officials are So I don’t have to worry
Good thing about being a teacher... we are poor no matter who the elected officials are So I don’t have to worry
This post was edited on 7/19/20 at 12:29 pm
Posted on 7/19/20 at 12:37 pm to Cobrasize
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You can’t trust any of these fricks. This whole thing reminds me of why I hate politics and government
The best thing right now -- as it would have been from the beginning -- is the White House as well as every Governor's office Democrat or Republican going to every length possible to remove themselves from the reporting of the basic data.
No information on this level is ever going to be near perfect but the most important thing is that the majority of people are satisfied that they are not getting something that's pure intentional political spin.
Then the politicians can make their differing cases based on that.
There is no reason that the CDC (who has a director, Redfield, a Republican who the president himself put in charge, even amid a lot of controversy) should be a source of suspicion from the White House.
If the goal is really better and more transparent data, the White House should demand Redfield fix those problems instead of simply putting it into the hands of political advisors instead of people trained to do that job.
Is the goal really better and more transparent data is the question that we'd all be better off not having to ask right now.
Posted on 7/19/20 at 1:06 pm to wm72
We're paying the price for this happening in an election year.
Posted on 7/19/20 at 1:15 pm to stomp
States will go from 1200 a day to 150
Posted on 7/19/20 at 1:15 pm to stomp
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We're paying the price for this happening in an election year.
Yep. If you swapped the parties of the occupant and the challenger the rhetoric would be playing out the same.
What wm72 said above is spot on, but that would require putting leadership over politics- and as long as elected official is a career path that isn’t going to happen in most cases.
This post was edited on 7/19/20 at 1:18 pm
Posted on 7/19/20 at 1:23 pm to Bear88
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States will go from 1200 a day to 150
Yup, and the rational folks, still won’t be able to trust any numbers. Power hungry and corrupt politicians will be the fall of this country. No side is immune from it.
Posted on 7/19/20 at 2:23 pm to Cobrasize
Having trouble getting URL for gifs lately 
Posted on 7/19/20 at 2:53 pm to Bear88
Is Trump doing everything he can to throw this election? He’s done practically everything he can to alienate even conservatives. I can’t imagine how big your ego must be to not be able to admit that while you’re good at some things, you don’t know shite about others.
The problem with the CDC is a familiar one: a government agency where the guy in charge is a transient political appointee while the rank and file worker bees are career bureaucrats who are mostly too incompetent to make it in the private sector. They go about their bumbling way and ignore any attempts at change and improvements because they know the guy or girl trying to implement them will be gone soon enough. The CDC has a long history of this but they fly under the radar most of the time because their services are rarely of a critical nature. So the incompetence goes unnoticed. When thrust into the spotlight like now, they usually fail miserably. Covid is shining the light on a lot of government agencies that can’t pass the scrutiny.
The problem with the CDC is a familiar one: a government agency where the guy in charge is a transient political appointee while the rank and file worker bees are career bureaucrats who are mostly too incompetent to make it in the private sector. They go about their bumbling way and ignore any attempts at change and improvements because they know the guy or girl trying to implement them will be gone soon enough. The CDC has a long history of this but they fly under the radar most of the time because their services are rarely of a critical nature. So the incompetence goes unnoticed. When thrust into the spotlight like now, they usually fail miserably. Covid is shining the light on a lot of government agencies that can’t pass the scrutiny.
Posted on 7/19/20 at 3:19 pm to JustGetItRight
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JustGetItRight
Thanks for clearing that up. I am willing to admit that I was wrong on that.
Posted on 7/19/20 at 3:22 pm to Bear88
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States will go from 1200 a day to 150
I don't think it will just go away that fast. Its too widespread.
I don't even pay attention to *just* the cases. Main one I look for is hospitalizations. Thats a metric that can't be politicized and skewed. Either hospital capacity is overloaded or its not, and locally its easier to tell
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