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re: Alabama Basketball Recruiting and Offseason Talk
Posted on 4/6/18 at 6:53 pm to GatorsGators
Posted on 4/6/18 at 6:53 pm to GatorsGators
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Having a non-shooter at PG isn't ideal but he's probably the best option.
Not really many options at PG that are shooters. I'd say Butler, but FR frequently have adjustment periods shooting 3s in D1 vs HS
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Posted on 4/6/18 at 7:00 pm to BigBird09
I actually was talking about Smith. Does he have bad hands? I cannot remember. Thought he had improved by the end of the season, but I could be mistaken.
Anyway I was trying to think of some positives in his game. Not having broken from is all relative when you play for us. We all remember Taylor’s woes but why does Hall face the band when he shoots FT? I realize Smith’s percentages were atrocious, but I don’t remember him having some horrible hitch to correct.
I haven’t heard much about Fleming lately but I believe every team needs a big framed 6’8” that can dribble and pivot.
Anyway I was trying to think of some positives in his game. Not having broken from is all relative when you play for us. We all remember Taylor’s woes but why does Hall face the band when he shoots FT? I realize Smith’s percentages were atrocious, but I don’t remember him having some horrible hitch to correct.
I haven’t heard much about Fleming lately but I believe every team needs a big framed 6’8” that can dribble and pivot.
Posted on 4/6/18 at 7:03 pm to GatorsGators
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Having a non-shooter at PG isn't ideal
I'd rather have a non-shooter at PG than at the 2, 3 or 4 these days. At least if he's working with the ball in his hands more we don't have to worry about defenders sagging way off of him off-ball.
The main concern with Ingram at point, at least for me, is his decision-making on fastbreaks. Far too often he pulls the ball out on a break when he should attack. And then when he decides to go, he doesn't know when to pass and when to take it to the hole. A lot of media folks and even analysts have pointed out that his struggles were related to his playing out of position, when in reality all of my complaints about him this year (lack of aggression, decision making, etc.) stem from when he was working with the ball is in his hands.
Posted on 4/6/18 at 7:15 pm to Gongora
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I actually was talking about Smith. Does he have bad hands? I cannot remember. Thought he had improved by the end of the season, but I could be mistaken.
Anyway I was trying to think of some positives in his game. Not having broken from is all relative when you play for us. We all remember Taylor’s woes but why does Hall face the band when he shoots FT? I realize Smith’s percentages were atrocious, but I don’t remember him having some horrible hitch to correct.
I haven’t heard much about Fleming lately but I believe every team needs a big framed 6’8” that can dribble and pivot.
I wasn't referencing Smith's hands, I just don't think I could ever see him as a 4. We already have spacing issues as it is, and I think that would stagnate the offense even more. I haven't seen much on his jump shot, but FTs are usually a decent indicator of whether or not they can shoot. Taylor was horrible from the line and in his worst year shot 10% higher from the line than Smith did this year. As far as Hall goes, a lot of his struggles at the line this year were injury related. If I remember correctly, before he hurt his hand he was shooting nearly 70% from the line which isn't bad for a big man.
I can't get over how polished Fleming's footwork is. Takes a lot of God-given coordination to be that big and move that well on the block.
Posted on 4/6/18 at 7:17 pm to BigBird09
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I'd rather have a non-shooter at PG than at the 2, 3 or 4 these days.
I kige this. Still think it is extremely valuable to be an open 3 threat though. Drive and kicks only work when the D collapse, happens less when on ball defender can play extremely loose
Also, pick and rolls run into problems when defender can always go under not over
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The main concern with Ingram at point, at least for me, is his decision-making on fastbreaks
I know there is the dream of being a fast break team, I'd just argue that most of AJs best wins at Bama were in slower paced games playing great interior D, rebounding and O playing good enough
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lot of media folks and even analysts have pointed out that his struggles were related to his playing out of position,
What do they think his position should be?
He's the ultimate position less player. As in he has no position he clearly is suited for
Posted on 4/6/18 at 7:24 pm to BigBird09
Gotcha. I thought we started him at the 4 during the tournament. Maybe that was just the matchup.
Posted on 4/6/18 at 7:53 pm to Gongora
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Gotcha. I thought we started him at the 4 during the tournament. Maybe that was just the matchup.
We started him all 3 games in the SEC tournament and we won the 2 where he started at the 4 so what do I know
. I should've said I don't see him as a regular starting 4, but I'm in the club that thinks Avery's style of offense needs one hell of a lot more spacing. Posted on 4/6/18 at 8:10 pm to GenesChin
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I kige this. Still think it is extremely valuable to be an open 3 threat though. Drive and kicks only work when the D collapse, happens less when on ball defender can play extremely loose
Also, pick and rolls run into problems when defender can always go under not over
Oh I think shooting is incredibly valuable for a PG. I'm just saying if he's playing a 1-3 position and can't shoot, at least he can force the defender to guard him with the ball in his hands.
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I know there is the dream of being a fast break team, I'd just argue that most of AJs best wins at Bama were in slower paced games playing great interior D, rebounding and O playing good enough
Our best nights are when we're successful running our typical gameplan of fastbreak when you can, pull out and run some clock if not. I don't want a run at all costs team. I want a team that can run (and we have the players to) when the opportunity is there. What's the point of having a PG that often struggles to take his man off the dribble and doesn't know how or when to run a fast break? I mean that's pretty much what a PG does.
This post was edited on 4/6/18 at 8:11 pm
Posted on 4/7/18 at 10:06 am to BigBird09
If Giddens and Key both leave, I wish Avery would find a good transfer Pt guard or Jr college point guard that can do what you just described. I just think a freshman point guard will struggle and the others are too slow. If we don't bring in an experienced pt guard, I would give Shaffer a chance.
Posted on 4/7/18 at 11:15 am to IB4bama
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I would give Shaffer a chance
Would love to see it, but I've given up on that. As long as Avery Jr. is on the roster he won't be passed up by a walk-on.
Posted on 4/7/18 at 12:06 pm to GatorsGators
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And not sure why Herb is an option anyone is talking about at PG.
Understand when I say I'd be more excited if Herb comes out at PG, that doesn't mean I think he should start there. He showed flashes of being able to run the point well during this season, but like you said struggled with turnovers. If he comes out starting there, it'll mean he's made a big jump in the offseason, and I'd be very excited because he'd be a matchup nightmare and has already shown he can guard that position. I expect Ingram to start at the point.
Posted on 4/7/18 at 12:08 pm to IB4bama
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I would give Shaffer a chance.
As a rotation guy? Sure
As a starting PG trying to guard Jared Harper, Tremont Waters, and others? We'd be in trouble.
Posted on 4/7/18 at 12:12 pm to TomRollTideRitter
Speaking of Tremont Waters, I'm a lot lower on LSU next year than most. I think they're going to be awful on defense and be a bubble team. I don't see them coming close to competing for a conference title. I don't see Waters and Smart fitting together well either.
Posted on 4/7/18 at 12:34 pm to TomRollTideRitter
Can Jr or Dazon guard any of the quick point guards? They couldn't last year, and they struggled to get the ball up court when pressured. Almost everyone has one but us. They all blow right by Jr and Dazon.
Posted on 4/7/18 at 12:45 pm to IB4bama
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Can Jr or Dazon guard any of the quick point guards? They couldn't last year,
I disagree. I thought by the end of the year all our major minute getters were at least solid defenders. We finished the year 20th in Kenpom Adj D. For team as young as we were, that's a very impressive stat.
I'm not going to argue that having Dazon starting at point is ideal, but I don't think a walk on is better than him.
This will be Lawson's fourth year here. If he had the ability to start at point guard, he would've earned more playing time by now in my opinion.
Posted on 4/7/18 at 1:22 pm to TomRollTideRitter
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I'm a lot lower on LSU next year than most. I think they're going to be awful on defense and be a bubble team.
I expect them to look a lot like Bama last year. Knock off top teams looking fantastic, lose WTF games looking like a NIT team. I'dprobably put them around 9-9 or 10-8 though
I've always thought Calipari gets less credit than he deserves in overcoming youth/inexperience. Despite typically being in the bottom 25 of 350+ teams in both Minutes Continuity + Experience, Calipari has more NCAAT wins, Final 4s and I believe overall wins since he took over UK
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I don't see Waters and Smart fitting together well either.
Why? Smart should fit in nicely at SG when Waters is on the floor. Smart is noted as playing well off the ball, should be just fine.
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Can Jr or Dazon guard any of the quick point guards?
Why do you need them to? Herb Jones flashed some great on ball D, John Petty was a good defender as well
Dazon has the size to guard any PG/SG/SF, give the two hardest to defend to Herb/Petty and let Dazon get the slow poke
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I thought by the end of the year all our major minute getters were at least solid defenders
If by solid, you mean not a complete liability, then I agree.
There are a lot of gifted athletes and quick PGs for next season. Ingram should be okay and struggle at times, Avery JR though is giong to have a hard time
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I'm not going to argue that having Dazon starting at point is ideal, but I don't think a walk on is better than him.
I think most people are referring to Avery JR > Lawson
Posted on 4/7/18 at 2:02 pm to GenesChin
Harper (Aub) ate every person that tried to guard him for lunch. He would blow right past them, pass it to the right corner, then they made 2 short passes, for a wide open 3. It happened over and over and over. Mississippi St the same thing. Their quick pt guard just ate us alive. Tamu- same thing. KY, same thing. We could not stop penetration by quick point guards.
Posted on 4/7/18 at 2:33 pm to IB4bama
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Harper (Aub) ate every person that tried to guard him for lunch.
I think Herb gave Herb gave him fits in game 1/2 if I remember correctly
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Mississippi St the same thing.
They will be the hardest matchup in the league, especially if they learn to shoot.
Peters, Weatherspoon Jr, Weatherspoon Sr all are elite in the lane. PF Holman is an incredible stretch 4 while Ago is a long lengthy C who plays hard and aggressive
Posted on 4/7/18 at 4:04 pm to GenesChin
To be fair, Sexton was part of the problem on defense. Stats show he and Petty were our worst def players. Jones and Key were the best on the team.
Posted on 4/7/18 at 5:32 pm to IB4bama
Sometimes stats lie.. sexton was a very good defender
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