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Posted on 3/28/18 at 3:57 pm to CrimsonTider98
Posted on 3/28/18 at 3:57 pm to CrimsonTider98
See above. There's talent and then there's Kentucky talent.
Green and Mitchell were were talented and Green is now in the league, but Hobbs had teams with multiple guys that went in the first round. That's a huge difference.
Green and Mitchell were were talented and Green is now in the league, but Hobbs had teams with multiple guys that went in the first round. That's a huge difference.
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Posted on 3/28/18 at 4:00 pm to GenesChin
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While I think Alabama got screwed relative to who was chosen for the field, in a vacuum I don't think Bama got snubbed.
For the record, I feel the same way about the Auburn 2009 bball team that AU fans feel got "snubbed." That team wasn't a NCAAT team either
I understand what you're saying, but I disagree. That Alabama team made it to the NIT title game. They were every bit an NCAA tournament quality team.
Posted on 3/28/18 at 5:13 pm to CrimsonTider98
Gottfried's last three years were NIT, nothing, fired mid season yet it was Grant who ran the program into the ground? 
Posted on 3/28/18 at 5:28 pm to JustGetItRight
I’m not arguing. I’m sick in bed watching documentaries on HBO while my daughters trash the house. This is the way I talk with my friends.
Terrible? Hobbs could have kept his job as long as he wanted if he were able to sustain that success. Are you really trying to separate player development from head coaching responsibilities?
Discredit Hobbs’ accomplishments all day, but you haven’t said one thing that Grant did to approach 4 first round draft picks. Green is an NBA starter but under Grant he went from 5 star phenom to undrafted free agent. Seems to me Green regressed against his peers while playing for Grant.
Terrible? Hobbs could have kept his job as long as he wanted if he were able to sustain that success. Are you really trying to separate player development from head coaching responsibilities?
Discredit Hobbs’ accomplishments all day, but you haven’t said one thing that Grant did to approach 4 first round draft picks. Green is an NBA starter but under Grant he went from 5 star phenom to undrafted free agent. Seems to me Green regressed against his peers while playing for Grant.
Posted on 3/28/18 at 5:48 pm to Bryant91092
Gottfried led the program to unprecedented success before his mid-life crisis. Even after he quit, he was still recruiting well. Grant at least inherited some talent, Avery didn't. And, yes Grant ran the program into the ground. His last two teams were worse than Gottfried's were.
Posted on 3/28/18 at 5:50 pm to CrimsonTider98
People act like Grant was close but couldn't get over the hump, which isn't the case. Grant was able to pile up wins against the bottom half of the SEC while the league was down, but we never beat anybody good, and our program never really had any momentum under him.
Posted on 3/28/18 at 5:57 pm to JustGetItRight
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I understand what you're saying, but I disagree. That Alabama team made it to the NIT title game. They were every bit an NCAA tournament quality team.
At the time of selection though, NIT results were unknown
Also, NIT results aren't really that indicative of team quality.
Posted on 3/28/18 at 6:31 pm to McGregor
Curious, is Lacy playing point in Russia?
Posted on 3/28/18 at 6:44 pm to Gongora
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Are you really trying to separate player development from head coaching responsibilities?
Is the head coach ultimately judged on his ability to develop players or to win game?
Developing skilled players is worthless if you cannot get results with them (see Miles, Les LSU football 2007-2016). You don’t hang banners for draft picks.
Posted on 3/28/18 at 6:49 pm to JustGetItRight
If I'm ranking them, I'd go from best to worst. Gottfried, Hobbs, Grant. That's just my opinion
Posted on 3/28/18 at 6:51 pm to Cobrasize
So Collin just not gonna declare or.......
Posted on 3/28/18 at 6:54 pm to Bamafan15
You would think that he would at least declare like Braxton did last year, just to test the waters. I'm going on the assumption that he's going to declare and then make a decision as late as possible
Posted on 3/28/18 at 6:55 pm to Cobrasize
Gottfried doesn't belong in the same discussion as Hobbs and Grant. The end of his time here was not good, but he saved our program after the Hobbs era five straight NCAAT and an elite eight appearance was pretty damn good. Not to mention he's the last coach that won the SEC for us.
Posted on 3/28/18 at 6:58 pm to Cobrasize
It wouldn’t be Bama hoops without some sort of drama
Posted on 3/28/18 at 6:59 pm to JustGetItRight
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Is the head coach ultimately judged on his ability to develop players or to win game?
He made the tournament twice and won a couple games. That isn't good, but definitely far from terrible like you claim
Just as his in game coaching/X's & O's held him back from being a good coach, his development of players keeps him from being a terrible coach
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Gottfried doesn't belong in the same discussion as Hobbs and Grant. The end of his time here was not good, but he saved our program after the Hobbs era five straight NCAAT and an elite eight appearance was pretty damn good.
He has 5 of the 11 non Wimp NCAAT apperances for Bama and Bama's only AP #1 basketball ranking
This post was edited on 3/28/18 at 7:02 pm
Posted on 3/28/18 at 6:59 pm to CrimsonTider98
Ehh, I just ranked the post Wimp coaches. Using that qualifier, then he's in
Posted on 3/28/18 at 7:03 pm to Cobrasize
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Ehh, I just ranked the post Wimp coaches. Using that qualifier, then he's in
I feel like something is missing....
Posted on 3/28/18 at 7:06 pm to GenesChin
If I had to rank Avery, I'd put him behind Gottfried and in front of Hobbs
Posted on 3/28/18 at 7:50 pm to JustGetItRight
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Is the head coach ultimately judged on his ability to develop players or to win game?
The answer is both and then some. But give me a team that wins a game in the tourney and has a few 1st round picks over a team that gets bounced in the NIT and runs off its best players.
And player development worthless? Tell that to Roy. He’s made a killing off the sport and continues to be an asset to the university. What does a banner give you? It’s not like Anthony got us a banner anyway.
Posted on 3/28/18 at 7:56 pm to GenesChin
I’ll give Avery a solid TBD. He exceeded my expectations in years one and two. We got as far as I thought we would in year 3, but didn’t look as good doing it as I thought we would.
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