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AI (LONG): AL FG kickers have horrendous rep under Saban…but do numbers support this?

Posted on 5/11/26 at 3:19 pm
Posted by Vulcan Materials
Member since May 2022
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Posted on 5/11/26 at 3:19 pm
tl; dr: 3 good kickers in 17 years and only 1 truly great one among the 3. All other Saban kickers should’ve been junior college kickers solely based on the numbers. And yes, the numbers do support this. They were horrendous on paper. Jeremy Shelley is a surprise to be honest.



This sounds like a stupid thread to make because there were so many high profile misses that led to many of what other fanbases and ESPN consider some of the greatest moments in college sports. However, given that Alabama was only really threatened once or twice in the regular season most years, I wanted to know if at least the CONSISTENCY was there. A kicker is viewed by how they perform when the game is on the line, sure, but do they deliver under minimal pressure at least?

I asked an AI to give me a mildly digestible overview of Alabama kickers under Saban relative to their perception and the actual numbers that accompany their performance. I’m not gonna cut the response so it does come off a bit cringe at times in the way it explains it. Anyway, here it goes:

Yes, the numbers largely support the perception that Alabama kickers under Nick Saban (2007–2023) were inconsistent and often below expectations—except for Leigh Tiffin (especially his later years), Jeremy Shelley (solid but sometimes overlooked due to split duties), and Will Reichard (elite). It wasn’t just crunch-time failures; overall field goal accuracy, volume of misses, and inconsistency were real issues across regular-season games too.

Overall FG% and Miss Volume (Key Data)
Alabama kickers had the most missed field goals in FBS from 2007 through at least 2019 (101 misses across 11 kickers, per ESPN Stats & Info—more than any other program). They missed at least 5 (and up to 13) FGs every season under Saban.747
Here’s a breakdown of main kickers’ career or notable FG% (from Alabama records, Sports-Reference data, and contemporary reports; national college FG% avg was typically ~72–75% in this era):
• Leigh Tiffin (2007–09): Career ~74.8% (83/111 FGs). Strongest year: 2009 30/35 (85.7%, All-American, top-20 nationally). Earlier years: 2007 25/34 (73.5%), 2008 20/29 (69%). Reliable anchor early in Saban era.

• Jeremy Shelley (2009–12): Career 80.0% (44/55 FGs)—2nd all-time in Bama FG% leaders. 2012: perfect 11/11 (plus 5 FGs in BCS title game vs. LSU). 2011: 21/27 (~78%). Often handled shorter/medium FGs while others did long ones/kickoffs. Very good, though lower volume in some seasons

• Will Reichard (2019–23): Career ~84% (84 FGs made, all-time Bama leader). Multiple 80%+ seasons, including 100% (14/14) in 2020 and 88% in 2023. Flipped the script—consistent, clutch, and the first truly dominant Saban-era kicker in years.

• Others (the “notoriously horrendous” group):
? Cade Foster (2010–13): Career 56.8% (25/44). Brutal 2011 (2/9, 22%), including multiple misses vs. LSU in the “Game of the Century.” 2013 Iron Bowl misses contributed to the setup for Kick Six.

? Adam Griffith (2013–16): ~69.5% career. 2014: 12/19 (63%); 2015: 23/32 (~72%). Solid leg (55-yarders), but inconsistent and infamous for the 57-yard miss in 2013 Iron Bowl (returned for TD).

? Andy Pappanastos (2016–17 transfer): ~73.1% (19 FGs). 2017: 18/25 (72%). Missed two FGs (incl. potential game-winner) in 2018 title game vs. Georgia.

? Joseph Bulovas (2018–19): ~75.9% (22 FGs). 2018 shared duties with others (~60% team FG% early); had key misses (e.g., Iron Bowl).

Yearly team FG% often ranked poorly or near the bottom (e.g., 64% in 2011/2014, 65% in 2013; national rank as low as 98th in some years). Post-Tiffin/pre-Reichard stretches were especially rough.

Extra points (PATs) were usually excellent (near 100% for most), so the main knock was on FGs—especially 40+ yards.
Crunch-Time/Clutch Performance
High-profile misses in big moments absolutely fueled the “horrendous” reputation, because Alabama was so dominant—many games were close, and one kick could swing championships or rivalries:

• 2011 vs. LSU (“Game of the Century”): 2/6 FGs total (Foster/Shelley split); multiple misses in a 9-6 OT loss.

• 2013 Iron Bowl: Foster misses set up the “Kick Six” (Griffith’s 57-yard attempt returned 109 yards for Auburn’s win).

• 2014 Ole Miss, 2018 title game (Pappanastos), various Iron Bowls/BCS games: game-winners or ties missed.
But it wasn’t only crunch time. There were plenty of routine/regular-season misses (short ones, wide left/right, blocks). Compilations (e.g., 2013–2018 misses) show a pattern of inconsistency everywhere, not just late-game heroics. Alabama’s talent edge meant they reached “crunch time” more often, magnifying the failures.


Again, (and this is me talking, not the AI) based on the stats, Saban’s talent evaluation at the kicking spot may be some of the worst of all time, even considering Florida State in the 90s, which only had embarrassing blemishes vs. Miami and not outright abysmal play against all competition, regular season or not.
Posted by Diego Ricardo
Alabama
Member since Dec 2020
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Posted on 5/11/26 at 3:44 pm to
My assumption was that he didn’t scholarship the kickers so we were often operating with the “good but not great options”
Posted by Night Vision
Member since Feb 2018
22666 posts
Posted on 5/11/26 at 3:48 pm to
Foster was on a full ride the entire time, Reichard, ...
This post was edited on 5/11/26 at 3:50 pm
Posted by Chadaristic
Member since Jan 2011
41036 posts
Posted on 5/11/26 at 5:51 pm to
quote:

Foster


His high school highlight videos had us all fired up.

He's 35 now. Holy shite i'm old.
Posted by Night Vision
Member since Feb 2018
22666 posts
Posted on 5/11/26 at 5:54 pm to
Believe it was Shelley we wasted a year on by letting him kick in one too many games early on.

The year after he left we lost at least one game due to a missed FG.
Posted by TideSwamper
Muscle Shoals
Member since Sep 2019
599 posts
Posted on 5/11/26 at 10:20 pm to
That was interesting, thanks for sharing.
Posted by TheTideMustRoll
Birmingham, AL
Member since Dec 2009
10763 posts
Posted on 5/11/26 at 10:30 pm to
Arab rug weavers will often intentionally insert a flaw into their products, because they believe that to strive for perfection is to try and challenge God. That was Saban with his kicking games.
Posted by KingOfTheWorld
South of heaven, west of hell
Member since Oct 2018
7825 posts
Posted on 5/12/26 at 3:10 am to
Adam Griffith went to the same high school as my ex, Pepperel in Rome, GA. I always wanted him to be good. I don’t blame him for the Kick Six miss. I think that was a bad call by Saban. He made up for it with the onside kick vs. Clemson.
Posted by tide06
Member since Oct 2011
24067 posts
Posted on 5/12/26 at 6:47 am to
quote:

Adam Griffith

Didn’t he have a major back injury?

Good luck kicking reliably with a lower back problem…
Posted by KingOfTheWorld
South of heaven, west of hell
Member since Oct 2018
7825 posts
Posted on 5/12/26 at 6:56 am to
quote:

Didn’t he have a major back injury?

Good luck kicking reliably with a lower back problem…


I wasn’t criticizing him. I liked the kid. He won some games for us. I think he did deal with some injuries but I’m not sure. It was 10 years ago. My memory is spotty.
Posted by Night Vision
Member since Feb 2018
22666 posts
Posted on 5/12/26 at 7:24 am to
Believe it was him that spent many years in an orphanage overseas and he was malnourished for many years which weakened his bones.

Was later adopted by a family in the U.S.

This post was edited on 5/12/26 at 8:28 am
Posted by bodask42
Tuscaloosa
Member since Aug 2009
2532 posts
Posted on 5/12/26 at 8:18 am to
Jeremy Shelley should be remembered for being so damn clutch all night in New Orleans on 1/9/12 (except for the bizzare missed extra point, haha).
Posted by tide06
Member since Oct 2011
24067 posts
Posted on 5/12/26 at 8:22 am to
quote:

I wasn’t criticizing him. I liked the kid. He won some games for us. I think he did deal with some injuries but I’m not sure. It was 10 years ago. My memory is spotty.

Yeah didn’t take it that way, was just an unfortunate situation all around because when your team is competing at that level with the margin of victory or defeat so small and you’re being sent out injured ***cough Ty*** and it isn’t working you end up being the scapegoat.

We just needed to have someone who could kick from 35 in reliably as a backup like we did when Cade Foster had trouble and we didn’t always get it.
Posted by Tupelo
Member since Aug 2022
1820 posts
Posted on 5/12/26 at 8:35 am to
Saban didn't set his kickers up for success on field goals a lot of times. Instead of lining up in the middle of the field, they often had to make kicks from extreme angles. At least that's how it seemed to me.
Posted by tide06
Member since Oct 2011
24067 posts
Posted on 5/12/26 at 8:38 am to
quote:


Saban didn't set his kickers up for success on field goals a lot of times. Instead of lining up in the middle of the field, they often had to make kicks from extreme angles. At least that's how it seemed to me.

As locked in as he was in every other facet of the game I'm not sure kicking was ever really a priority.

He'd sign whoever the experts told him was best for that class and then focus on "real" football.

My guess is had transfer portal happened earlier we would've just portalled a new kicker every two years like we did with the Groza winner from Miami (OH).
Posted by Archives
Member since Mar 2026
513 posts
Posted on 5/12/26 at 3:34 pm to
quote:

2013 Iron Bowl: Foster misses set up the “Kick Six” (Griffith’s 57-yard attempt returned 109 yards for Auburn’s win).


Another "miss" in this game that doesn't show up in the stats is the attempt to go for it on 4th and 1 at the AU 13 yard line with 5 minutes to go in the game.
Bama is up 7 at this point and every coach in the country would just kick a 30 yarder to put your team up 2 scores with this little time left. But Yeldon is stopped for no gain and AU takes over on downs.
Inexplicably, we still try another FG from further out later on (not the infamous final kick) and of course miss that.
Posted by Ten Bears
Florida
Member since Oct 2018
5146 posts
Posted on 5/12/26 at 4:02 pm to
quote:

As locked in as he was in every other facet of the game I'm not sure kicking was ever really a priority. He'd sign whoever the experts told him was best for that class and then focus on "real" football.


Which is crazy when you think about it. After all he franchised the “every drive that ends in a kick is a success” philosophy
Posted by Crimson Wraith
Member since Jan 2014
30149 posts
Posted on 5/12/26 at 4:56 pm to
Was that the butt flinch game where a FG was taken off the board because Arie Kouandjio flinched?

The re-kick was no good.
Posted by labamafan
Prairieville
Member since Jan 2007
27033 posts
Posted on 5/12/26 at 5:07 pm to
Andy Pappanastos (2016–17 transfer): ~73.1% (19 FGs). 2017: 18/25 (72%). Missed two FGs (incl. potential game-winner) in 2018 title game vs. Georgia.

? Joseph Bulovas (2018–19): ~75.9% (22 FGs). 2018 shared duties with others (~60% team FG% early); had key misses (e.g., Iron Bowl).

Ah Shankapottamous and Pullovas. Two of my favorites.
Posted by stewieie
Florida
Member since Feb 2020
303 posts
Posted on 5/12/26 at 7:25 pm to
Saban inadvertently put pressure on kickers. Other coaches do this. George Allen comes to mind.
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