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re: 2017-18 Alabama Basketball Season Thread: 20-16 (10-11)
Posted on 12/18/17 at 7:38 pm to saban n bear
Posted on 12/18/17 at 7:38 pm to saban n bear
I have 3 tickets to the game Friday that I’m trying to sell. Section 24U, Row O, seats 9-11.
I got free tickets from work and I just want to get what I paid for them (face value) if anybody wants them or knows someone who does.
I got free tickets from work and I just want to get what I paid for them (face value) if anybody wants them or knows someone who does.
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Posted on 12/18/17 at 7:52 pm to GenesChin
Just from what I've watched of each team, I think Lipscomb is better than Mercer.
Posted on 12/18/17 at 7:56 pm to GenesChin
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Both Alabama A&M and Lipscomb are clearly worse than Mercer according to Kenpom, ESPN BPI and TeamRankings predictive rankings so I assume you are using RPI
NCAAT committee has already announced they are phasing out RPI and don't put much weight into it.
I don't really give a shite about any of the metric based rankings to be honest. I'm using schedule results. Lipscomb has a better resume to date. They also both have a mutual away game versus Tennessee. Mercer was blown out by 24. Lipscomb kept it to a respectable 10 pt loss.
While the committee has said they will be fading out the RPI, to my knowledge they don't take KenPom, ESPN BPI or TeamRankings Predictive rankings into account much at all. These last 3 metrics base their rankings WAY too much on initial placement. I mean KenPom has Arizona State (the #3 ranked team) at 31. That's absurd.
Posted on 12/18/17 at 8:27 pm to GenesChin
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How are ya'll feeling about UTx even if Braxton is out? I imagine expectations are for a W considering Jones is prob out with that wrist injury
It's the type of game a tournament team needs to win.
Posted on 12/18/17 at 9:12 pm to SummerOfGeorge
UTA is getting dick kicked by Creighton
52-32 at the half
52-32 at the half
Posted on 12/18/17 at 9:20 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Yeah I wouldn't want to play creighton. Plus they kinda own us like Dayton
Posted on 12/18/17 at 9:39 pm to Kcstills17
For those going to the Texas game, where do y'all plan to park? Im trying to figure out what my best option will be.
Posted on 12/18/17 at 9:58 pm to BigBird09
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Lipscomb has a better resume to date.
I mean I expect you to go in dry vs Mercer, but I don't see much justification for Lipscomb > Mercer. Lipscomb has L to TN Tech and some ugly blowouts while Mercer has only 1 L >10pts
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These last 3 metrics base their rankings WAY too much on initial placement
That is not exactly what is going on w Arizona St. I have been shitting on KenPom/BPI for this on multiple boards here But ASU just is a weird situation
Metrics like BPI/KenPom are based on efficiency. The problem with ASU is that their defense gives up a ton of points to opponents relative to what you'd expect (See below)
What it more or less comes down to is that ASU isn't beating their middle to lower tier opponents by a large enough margin because their D sucks
Ranking ASU Opponents Pts scored relative to rest of opponents season
Idaho St- #1 Most pts scored all yr
SDSU - #2 most pts scored all yr
NAU- #7 pts scored all yr
UC Irvine- #1 most pts scored all yr
KSt- #1 most pts score all yr
Xavier #1 Most pts scored all yr
SF- #8 most pts scored all yr
St John #3 most points all yr
Kansas #7
Vandy #6
Posted on 12/18/17 at 10:05 pm to BigBird09
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While the committee has said they will be fading out the RPI, to my knowledge they don't take KenPom, ESPN BPI or TeamRankings Predictive rankings into account much at all.
Ken Pomeroy has been invited along w aot of other adv stats guys to give input on new metrics to use in selection
Everyone out there has basically said RPI is a very limited factor in selection and NCAA wants it replaced or completely revamped
More to the point on Lipscomb, they are artificially supported in RPI due to their road intensive schedule. Road Ls count as 0.6 in the W% total games denominator while road Ws count as 1.4.
So Lipscombs road loss to Tennessee Tech + win vs TN St Is more impressive For RPI than Alabamas home L to UCF home W to LaTech
This post was edited on 12/18/17 at 10:09 pm
Posted on 12/18/17 at 10:06 pm to GenesChin
Texas hit a game winner at home to beat Tennessee State (who is now 5-5) 47-46 
We BETTER NOT lose to Texas or I’m gonna melt lol
We BETTER NOT lose to Texas or I’m gonna melt lol
Posted on 12/18/17 at 10:13 pm to Bamafan15
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We BETTER NOT lose to Texas or I’m gonna melt lol
You should handle them pretty easily but TX shot 14% 3FG and 35% 2FG
UTx is a shite offense but not that bad. They clearly had a bad game even for their dumpster fire standards
Posted on 12/18/17 at 10:19 pm to GenesChin
Arizona lost Allonzo Trier to a knee injury tonight. Not sure how bad it is
Posted on 12/18/17 at 10:26 pm to Bamafan15
Creighton grabs a 90-81 win over UT Arlington. Marcus Foster went off for 32pts(12-20fg). Martin Krampelj chipped in with 8pts + 11reb. #Creighton
Posted on 12/18/17 at 10:26 pm to Bamafan15
Texas is clearly a better team than that. They had about 1K people in the stands in a trap game.
They'll bring it Friday.
They'll bring it Friday.
Posted on 12/18/17 at 10:37 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Problem for Texas is they cant shoot it consistently, it's a clear weakness for them.
Posted on 12/18/17 at 11:09 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Texas is clearly a better team than that. They had about 1K people in the stands in a trap game.
They'll bring it Friday.
They definitely are better than that. Also Tn St went to to toe with Duke in Cameron last year
Posted on 12/19/17 at 12:28 am to GenesChin
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I mean I expect you to go in dry vs Mercer, but I don't see much justification for Lipscomb > Mercer. Lipscomb has L to TN Tech and some ugly blowouts while Mercer has only 1 L >10pts
Ugly blowouts against Alabama and Texas. That's 2 top 40 teams according to KenPom. Mercer has played just one top 40 team (hence less blowouts) and that's Tennessee, and they were thumped by 24 (once again Lipscomb lost by 10).
Lipscomb has one loss outside of the top 100 teams according to KenPom. Mercer has 3. Lipscomb has 2 wins better than Mercer's best win according to Kenpom.
So according to Kenpom, Lipscomb has the 2 best wins, less losses outside the top 100, and has the most impressive loss being a 10 point loss to Tennessee. And yet somehow Mercer is considered better in their own metric. This is why I hate Kenpom's rankings. Wins and losses are bigger indicators of the talent of a team than analyzing point differentials.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 12:43 am to GenesChin
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Ken Pomeroy has been invited along w aot of other adv stats guys to give input on new metrics to use in selection
Everyone out there has basically said RPI is a very limited factor in selection and NCAA wants it replaced or completely revamped
More to the point on Lipscomb, they are artificially supported in RPI due to their road intensive schedule. Road Ls count as 0.6 in the W% total games denominator while road Ws count as 1.4.
So Lipscombs road loss to Tennessee Tech + win vs TN St Is more impressive For RPI than Alabamas home L to UCF home W to LaTech
I'm not a fan of RPI, I just don't understand why people like KenPom better. It makes wins and losses mean very little. I don't care if a team doesn't embarrass crappy teams by 30, if they continue to win against elite teams they should be considered among the elite. A win is a win and a loss is a loss.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 7:27 am to BigBird09
I think like most things you have to look at KenPom and RPI and mix and match. In general, KenPom is very good at it's goal : tell you the "best" teams. It's not ranking resumes, it's ranking performance. RPI isn't perfect either, but it still gives a good idea of ranking wins and losses and overall resume. Looking at both (plus ELO, your eyes and anything else) just gives more information to try and make goof judgements on.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 7:46 am to SummerOfGeorge
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RPI isn't perfect either, but it still gives a good idea of ranking wins and losses and overall resume
I disagree. The weighting of road/home losses is absurd + it doesn't care "who" you beat
There is no difference for Alabama if they beat UK or Auburn at home for example. Both wins are the same for RPI given they are both on the schedule
The only truly valuable RPI thing is record vs top XX teams, since while RPI is shitty, it is ballpark shitty at least
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