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re: 2017-18 Alabama Basketball Season Thread: 20-16 (10-11)
Posted on 11/25/17 at 10:58 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Posted on 11/25/17 at 10:58 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Still dumb as hell for our idiots to all jump out there
I honestly don't blame them at all. They didn't really get involved. For the entire bench to be ejected for a non-violent and emotional response to one of their players being swung at is completely ridiculous.
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Posted on 11/25/17 at 11:03 pm to BigBird09
Agreed, our guys were trying to defuse the situation. They were anything but idiots
Posted on 11/25/17 at 11:06 pm to BigBird09
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I honestly don't blame them at all. They didn't really get involved. For the entire bench to be ejected for a non-violent and emotional response to one of their players being swung at is completely ridiculous.
This was my thought process, as well. At the end of the day, folks are going to remember Bama basketball & Sexton for this game. It might as well have been a win in the eyes of perception.
A 3 v 5 game and Bama closed it to 3 late in the game.
Posted on 11/25/17 at 11:07 pm to BigBird09
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For the entire bench to be ejected for a non-violent and emotional response to one of their players being swung at is completely ridiculous.
It only sounds ridiculous because literally everyone on the bench went onto the court, but ejecting players that leave the bench is a necessary evil.
Posted on 11/25/17 at 11:14 pm to TomRollTideRitter
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Minnesota was killing us until Mason went out.
I believe this is a misperception as well. Our young guys got punched in the mouth early by an experienced squad and while we didn't gain ground afterwards, we didn't really lose much ground either. Keep in mind that this is a top 15 team.
Losing all but five of your players for what happened is completely asinine. We had the momentum coming off of a run to cut it to 7 with 12 min remaining. That game was well within reach, especially considering the explosive scorers we have.
Bama fans have a legitimate reason to be a little pissed off. As entertaining as watching our 3 players outscore their entire team (minus one) was, it sucks that the game was stolen away from an altercation that wasn't even started by one of our guys.
This post was edited on 11/25/17 at 11:30 pm
Posted on 11/25/17 at 11:29 pm to pvilleguru
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ejecting players that leave the bench is a necessary evil.
Most of the players that went on the floor were trying to rein in the more upset players. It's not necessary in the least. If they want to issue a technical that's fine, but ejection? Are you kidding me? What Petty did was by far the most aggressive thing any one of our guys did and he wasn't even assessed a technical.
The ejections in this matter shouldn't be based on a rule. It should be based upon the official's judgement, as most technical/ejections are.
I have a hard time believing anyone can watch that and honestly think that was really necessary.
By the way, I'm not blaming the officials. I just think they should be given more jurisdiction in this matter.
Posted on 11/25/17 at 11:35 pm to BigBird09
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Are you kidding me?
Not at all. It's a pretty standard rule in most sports. If there's a fight and you leave the bench, you're ejected. It's easy to police. It's cut and dry. No gray area. Keep you arse on the bench.
Coming off the bench does nothing but escalate the tension, regardless of your intentions.
This post was edited on 11/25/17 at 11:39 pm
Posted on 11/26/17 at 12:42 am to pvilleguru
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It's a pretty standard rule in most sports. If there's a fight and you leave the bench, you're ejected.
Show me where this has happened in any other prominent sport. There's been several violent scuffles involving the emptying of entire sidelines in football where very few if any players are ejected. Same thing with baseball. It's pretty much a rule to empty the bench in hockey. I'm ignorant to most other sports, but for those there have been several cases that prove that to be false. I can provide links if I need to.
In most other sports, barring any egregious acts, the ones involved in the initiating of the scuffle are the only ones tossed. As it should be.
This wasn't even close to turning violent unlike most of the several cases in other sports where the bench clears.
This post was edited on 11/26/17 at 12:59 am
Posted on 11/26/17 at 2:02 am to BigBird09
I didnt watch because I was watching us get our shite pushed in by Auburn......how bad is Pettys injury?
I saw the video....pretty weak ejection our bench didnt do anything except try to seperate and diffuse the situation. At worst it should have been a technical on all of them.
I saw the video....pretty weak ejection our bench didnt do anything except try to seperate and diffuse the situation. At worst it should have been a technical on all of them.
This post was edited on 11/26/17 at 2:04 am
Posted on 11/26/17 at 6:56 am to BigBird09
The rule is both a deterrent and ease of application thiNg
I guarantee you that no Alabama player from that game will ever clear the bench again. That is the effect the rule is going for.
There also is the likely escalation when benches clear as opposed to just players on the court
Application are a few things
-Time spent reviewing every angle for each player
-Players who get free passes because camera wasn't on them
-Why Team X gets more ejections than Team Y on subjective situation
I guarantee you that no Alabama player from that game will ever clear the bench again. That is the effect the rule is going for.
There also is the likely escalation when benches clear as opposed to just players on the court
Application are a few things
-Time spent reviewing every angle for each player
-Players who get free passes because camera wasn't on them
-Why Team X gets more ejections than Team Y on subjective situation
Posted on 11/26/17 at 6:59 am to GenesChin
I said earlier, the only change Id make is for players who immediately recognize "Woah made a mistake get back to the bench"
If a guy clears for 3-5s then goes back to the bench, it should be penalized but not ejection
If a guy clears for 3-5s then goes back to the bench, it should be penalized but not ejection
Posted on 11/26/17 at 7:53 am to BigBird09
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It's pretty much a rule to empty the bench in hockey.
If there's a fight and you leave the bench in hockey, you are ejected and suspended 10 games. I think a Red Wing player is still serving his suspension.
You are suspended for a game in NBA. If you leave the bench in football, you are supposed to be ejected. If you leave the bench at any time in soccer, it's an automatic yellow. That can rise to a red if it's during a fight. It's up to the the ref.
In all high school sports, you are ejected for leaving the bench.
ETA: the 1st hockey player is suspended 10 games, all others that leave the bench are suspended 5.
This post was edited on 11/26/17 at 8:13 am
Posted on 11/26/17 at 8:53 am to pvilleguru
What I don’t like is you can clearly see a few of the players go on the floor to try to pull back their teammates. There needs to be some discretion built into the rule.
Posted on 11/26/17 at 8:56 am to pvilleguru
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You are suspended for a game in NBA. If you leave the bench in football, you are supposed to be ejected. If you leave the bench at any time in soccer, it's an automatic yellow. That can rise to a red if it's during a fight. It's up to the the ref.
So I'll admit I don't know shite about hockey. I went strictly on assumptions there...
In the NBA and in football, it is pretty much never enforced. If that were the case, we would have seen this kind of result many times before in both NBA (the following game) and in football games. And the soccer route that you just described is exactly how I'm arguing that it should be handled. An automatic penalty with the ejection entirely up to the refs.
Posted on 11/26/17 at 9:01 am to Brodeur
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What I don’t like is you can clearly see a few of the players go on the floor to try to pull back their teammates. There needs to be some discretion built into the rule
It's like the rule encourages fights to continue. Teammates are the ones that break up fights, not officials.
I mean what are the calm-headed teammates supposed to do? Stay sidelined and let the brawl commence?
Posted on 11/26/17 at 9:09 am to BigBird09
Regardless of if the rule is dumb or not, it is the rule, and our staff should've made it clear to our players before yesterday.
Posted on 11/26/17 at 9:10 am to BigBird09
quote:Yes. That's exactly what they are supposed to do.
I mean what are the calm-headed teammates supposed to do? Stay sidelined and let the brawl commence?
quote:The rule keeps fights contained. There's 10 players on the court. If 2-4 players get in a fight, there's still 6 players out there that can stop it, plus the coaches. The players on the court yesterday had it put out pretty quickly.
It's like the rule encourages fights to continue.
Posted on 11/26/17 at 9:54 am to pvilleguru
I didnt see the Petty play, how bad do yall think it is??
Posted on 11/26/17 at 10:35 am to pvilleguru
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The rule keeps fights contained.
Ejections based on physical contact or threatening aggressions accomplishes the same damn thing.
No other sport is half this strict. The NBA doesn't even treat this remotely the same way. You even said that it's up to the refs in soccer.
It's sports, dude. Not the Miss America competition. Emotions are going to get the best of players, and that's okay if a line isn't crossed. The fact that that line for CBB is a foot in front of the bench is insane.
Posted on 11/26/17 at 10:39 am to TomRollTideRitter
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Regardless of if the rule is dumb or not, it is the rule, and our staff should've made it clear to our players before yesterday.
On this point, you'll find no argument. I do think the players were aware, but our end-of-the-bench staff was caught napping. It's there job to make sure players stay on the bench.
This post was edited on 11/26/17 at 10:43 am
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