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re: 2017-18 Alabama Basketball Season Thread: 20-16 (10-11)

Posted on 3/6/18 at 8:30 pm to
Posted by phil4bama
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Posted on 3/6/18 at 8:30 pm to
The same Larry Brown that promptly got SMU basketball on probation shortly after his arrival? Bruce Pearl ain't got nuttin on Larry Brown!
Posted by GenesChin
The Promise Land
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Posted on 3/6/18 at 8:33 pm to
I haven't seen any definite answer on Nevada just some fan grumbling. Absolutely nothing on Rhode Island

I did find a Yahoo writer commenting on how hard it was for St Mary's to schedule in response to someone saying opponents won't play St Marys
Posted by Bamafan15
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Posted on 3/6/18 at 8:54 pm to
BYU down 9 to Gonzaga at the half
Posted by phil4bama
Emerald Coast of PCB
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Posted on 3/6/18 at 9:11 pm to
Roll Zags?!?!
Posted by Cobrasize
Birmingham
Member since Jun 2013
49884 posts
Posted on 3/6/18 at 9:13 pm to
If we ever get probation, we better at least have gotten a final four out of the ordeal
Posted by Bamafan15
Member since Jan 2016
6820 posts
Posted on 3/6/18 at 9:28 pm to
I feel like Avery is the type who would take us to the NIT championship and win it. Then we’d find out we paid Collin and they’d take the banner and championship away

You don’t understand the anger that would go through my body for many reasons
Posted by Cobrasize
Birmingham
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Posted on 3/6/18 at 9:31 pm to
I understand completely. I'm pretty damn pissed right now. If they fired him tomorrow, I'd celebrate like we just won the championship. I have lost all faith in our coach.
Posted by Bamafan15
Member since Jan 2016
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Posted on 3/6/18 at 9:53 pm to
I haven’t lost 100% faith YET, but it’s getting pretty close lol
Posted by Bamafan15
Member since Jan 2016
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Posted on 3/6/18 at 9:53 pm to
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Gonzaga blows out BYU in the West Coast Conference Championship game as they win 74-54. No one will have to worry about BYU stealing a bid as the Bulldogs take care of them easily.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 3/6/18 at 10:02 pm to
Went about as well as we could hope for - BYU beefed up their RPI a little bit but fell short of stealing a bid.
Posted by BigBird09
Member since May 2012
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Posted on 3/7/18 at 7:33 am to
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Their NonConf (#186 RPI, #290 KenPom)



This is exactly why I wouldn't have them in. You could argue that St. Mary's is better than these tournament teams, but if you want to get in you have to schedule better Non-Conference games or move to a better conference to prove it. That's been the recipe for mid-majors to get an at-large bid for years now. They could definitely schedule better teams. It's not like they're some unknown team or anything. It's not fair to the mid-majors that schedule those harder teams. I mean if you average out the RPI of the 5 teams they lost to, it's 97. Even looking at KenPom, it's an average of 94. That's terrible.


Posted by GenesChin
The Promise Land
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Posted on 3/7/18 at 7:44 am to
St Mary's can't move to a better conference. No one is taking a non football school in Cali of 4000 that has no reputation.

They also can't schedule like a P5. No one wants to pay a top 25 caliber team no one has heard of to beat them in their own house. No one is giving St Mary's a home and home. It's the Boise St football problem

You Bama fans don't realize how good you have it as not only a flagship University but a nationally recognized brand.

Not every school has the luxury of having other schools want to play them like y'all
This post was edited on 3/7/18 at 7:46 am
Posted by McGregor
Member since Feb 2011
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Posted on 3/7/18 at 7:59 am to
So we need Syracuse and Louisville to lose today? anyone else?
Posted by phil4bama
Emerald Coast of PCB
Member since Jul 2011
11868 posts
Posted on 3/7/18 at 8:15 am to
frick Syracuse!! I hate them, always have. Boeheim is the biggest whiner in basketball. He’s the Stan White of basketball coaches. Bastard whines his way into the tourney every year.
Posted by TomRollTideRitter
Member since Aug 2016
13223 posts
Posted on 3/7/18 at 8:42 am to
Bubble teams we want to lose today: Louisville, Syracuse, Notre Dame, NC State, Marquette, Washington, Arizona State and Texas.


Former opponents we want to win today: UCF, Memphis, Oklahoma, La Tech
This post was edited on 3/7/18 at 8:43 am
Posted by train1523
Birmingham
Member since Jul 2011
296 posts
Posted on 3/7/18 at 8:50 am to
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Rhode Island isn't historically good


I agree they're not historically good, but let's not pretend basketball schedules are made years in advance like football schedules are. If St. Mary's turned down Rhode Island (since there really isn't much concrete out there that they did) it probably would have been done sometime this past offseason, when URI was expected to have a very strong team this year. Agree with your Nevada point 100%.
Posted by GenesChin
The Promise Land
Member since Feb 2012
37838 posts
Posted on 3/7/18 at 9:20 am to
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I agree they're not historically good, but let's not pretend basketball schedules are made years in advance like football schedules are.


Rhode Island was expected to be pretty good but they weren't a lock to be great or even good. That is a lot of hindsight 20/20 thinking. In past 6-7 yrs they had never finished higher than 3rd in A10 + Danny Hurley had never had consecutive 18+ W seasons in his 8 years of coaching. Finally add in that RI lost both starting post PF/C and that's a big deal

Also, RI is the beneficiary of a beat down A10. This is the worst A10 year in recent memory and RI is benefitting from it. All their adv metric numbers are down

Scheduling Rhode Island for a 2yr commitment though isn't some easy decision though. RI next year is unlikely to be competitive losing 5 players who avg 20+min + Dan Hurley likely moving on.




This post was edited on 3/7/18 at 9:21 am
Posted by Gary Busey
Member since Dec 2014
33277 posts
Posted on 3/7/18 at 10:03 am to
I want Sexton to really come alive on Thursday. I know he already plays at a high level, but if we're going to lose, let's at least see Sexton put on like a 35-point performance so we can actually watch some decent basketball.

Maybe we'll get luck and actually win.
Posted by train1523
Birmingham
Member since Jul 2011
296 posts
Posted on 3/7/18 at 10:13 am to
quote:

Rhode Island was expected to be pretty good but they weren't a lock to be great or even good. That is a lot of hindsight 20/20 thinking.


They were overwhelmingly projected to win the A10 this year. While that is by no means a lock to be a good/great team (and I mean come on, there's only a handful of teams I think you could say could be considered a lock to be "great"), they were expected to be good this year.
Posted by BigBird09
Member since May 2012
6044 posts
Posted on 3/7/18 at 10:15 am to
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St Mary's can't move to a better conference. No one is taking a non football school in Cali of 4000 that has no reputation.


I wasn't saying they could. I'm saying that that is one of two things mid-majors could and have done to get better chances at a bid. The other part is a better Non-Conference schedule.

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They also can't schedule like a P5. No one wants to pay a top 25 caliber team no one has heard of to beat them in their own house. No one is giving St Mary's a home and home. It's the Boise St football problem


No one has heard of? C'mon, man. They're not really any more unknown than any of the other at-large quality mid-majors and most of those teams typically try and schedule good matchups OOC. There are several coaches that like playing teams like St. Mary's because they give RPI boosts. Grant regularly scheduled some of the best mid-majors at home. We played Rhode Island this year. We played Dayton and Valparaiso last year. We played Dayton and Wichita State the year prior. Opportunities are there, they're just not taking them.

Non-Conference scheduling in football is way different than in basketball. For the most part, most football teams look to schedule 1 good team in their non-conference schedule (because losses mean one hell of a lot more in football). This obviously reduces Boise State's chances of landing a big name matchup. They have to convince schools to schedule them instead of a P5 school.

You mentioned before that we shouldn't punish St. Mary's for not scheduling and losing to better teams, but should they really be rewarded for beating up on terrible teams (and losing to a few of them as well)? The best team they scheduled OOC was UGA and they lost at a neutral site. They have a neutral loss to RPI 173. They have a loss to RPI 137, which is hilariously the 3rd or 4th hardest game they had on their conference schedule.

The Gonzaga win is nice, but that's the only win of note other than the BYU games which are decent wins made less appealing by the fact that they were bitch slapped by those same teams later in the year.


This post was edited on 3/7/18 at 10:29 am
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