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re: 2017-18 Alabama Basketball Season Thread: 20-16 (10-11)

Posted on 3/5/18 at 4:42 pm to
Posted by Cobrasize
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Posted on 3/5/18 at 4:42 pm to
It's only Monday, by Thursday George is gonna be ready to win the tournament We'll be here for ya George. Remember, you are not alone
Posted by McGregor
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Posted on 3/5/18 at 4:43 pm to
I didn't want to be the one to say it.
Posted by reachup
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Posted on 3/5/18 at 4:43 pm to
Random thoughts: Sr. starting Arkansas forward Dustin Thomas released from team for undisclosed team violation.

I wonder if Giddens will accept the challenge or pout regarding his pine time and no minutes in the last game?
This post was edited on 3/5/18 at 4:45 pm
Posted by Cobrasize
Birmingham
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Posted on 3/5/18 at 4:47 pm to
Giddens looks like Tarzan, plays like Jane. Such a huge disappointment.
Posted by GenesChin
The Promise Land
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Posted on 3/5/18 at 4:52 pm to
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I imagine Howland had a hand in that schedule and felt they weren't ready to step up in OOC yet


Scheduling at a smaller stature program in a non fertile bball recruiting area is a lot harder than people realize.

- Can't sell based on games being nationally televised
- Can't sell that you'll be a quality opponent
- Can't sell fertile recruiting grounds
- Can't sell big paycheck
- Can't sell publicity/media buzz

Bruce Pearl has had the same problems at AU. His previous tough scheduling at TN is MIA because we can't find good opponents willing to do home/home, neutral or neutral site tournaments

I mean, you got to be really desperate to schedule Murray St for a Home/Home

quote:


Pretty stupid then. It's year 3 and he had a roster with a few upperclassmen and talented freshmen.



Eh, their OOC schedule wasn't expected to be this dumpster fire to start the season. It wasn't a good OOC, but multiple opponents fell off a cliff thisyear

MSU's OOC Opponent Record is 176-201 for 46.7% Win%, Based on the previous 3YR average record, they'd be 219-171 56.1%

-7/12 opponents had a 3YR avg of 20+ Wins, this year only 3 opponents have >20 Wins (or realistically possible)
-3/12 opponents have Win% >50%, 7/12 opponents had win% >50% on 3YR avg



Posted by The Spleen
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Posted on 3/5/18 at 4:54 pm to
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I wonder if Giddens will accept the challenge or pout regarding his pine time and no minutes in the last game?



With teh way he played late in the Florida game, and him being made available to the press in the post-game, I thought for sure he'd get significant playing time. But then with Davis and Williams in the A&M frontcourt, they'd have eaten his lunch.
Posted by GenesChin
The Promise Land
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Posted on 3/5/18 at 4:57 pm to
Also George, something to ponder

No team with a BPI SoR >50 has had an at large bid since BPI's earliest season 2007. Alabama SoR is at #65 right now.


This post was edited on 3/5/18 at 4:58 pm
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
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Posted on 3/5/18 at 4:59 pm to
quote:

Scheduling at a smaller stature program in a non fertile bball recruiting area is a lot harder than people realize.


This is a fair point.

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MSU's OOC Opponent Record is 176-201 for 46.7% Win%, Based on the previous 3YR average record, they'd be 219-171 56.1%


This is also true to an extent : they got unlucky with Green Bay, North Dakota State, UT-Martin and Dayton.

They got about what could be expected out of SFA and Jax State.

They got what should be expected with Alabama State, Florida A&M, Little Rock, Southern Miss and North Florida, though. Combine that with 1 semi-P5 OOC game @ Cincinnati and the ceiling for that schedule was always going to be low.

I know it's hard sometimes to get good home and homes, but playing 1 AAC team as your only non-mid major in the entire OOC just can't happen. You have to find a way to get 2-3 more teams in there or it is going to hurt you later in the year, unless you just don't think you have any shot at the NCAA Tournament.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
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Posted on 3/5/18 at 5:00 pm to
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No team with a BPI SoR >50 has had an at large bid since BPI's earliest season 2007. Alabama SoR is at #65 right now.


Stop stop stop

I don't actually think we are going to win and make the tournament. However, if we win 2 more against A&M and Auburn, the committee would basically have to say "Look, this whole Quadrant thing was just a joke LOL". We'd be that far out in front of everyone else from the #10 seed line down basically.

Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 3/5/18 at 5:02 pm to
Guys - I don't really expect to win these games. I'm honestly just trying to make myself semi-not pissed off.

Posted by train1523
Birmingham
Member since Jul 2011
296 posts
Posted on 3/5/18 at 5:03 pm to
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He's not perfect but he without a doubt adds some spark to the offense.


Remember last season's Ole Miss game we looked like dogshit most of the first half and Avery put Lawson in late in the first half and he gave us a huge spark. He definitely would try harder than anyone else that's for sure.

Lawson is who I'm talking about above if there's any confusion
This post was edited on 3/5/18 at 5:06 pm
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
105802 posts
Posted on 3/5/18 at 5:05 pm to
I don't even think it's effort, he just has a natural ability to see things that we don't really have on the roster.

Now, his physical limitations mean he sometimes sees something but can't physically get the ball where he wants to, so he will make mistakes. However, be also does things that get guys in a flow sometimes.
Posted by GenesChin
The Promise Land
Member since Feb 2012
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Posted on 3/5/18 at 5:14 pm to
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Alabama State, Florida A&M, Little Rock, Southern Miss and North Florida, though


North Florida avg 20+Wins over the past 3 years + has had a winning conf record in 7/8 years. They definitely underperformed

I imagine Southern Miss is a political/forced opponent moreso than Howland wanting to schedule them.

No idea why teams schedule FAMU
Posted by GenesChin
The Promise Land
Member since Feb 2012
37838 posts
Posted on 3/5/18 at 5:15 pm to
quote:

However, if we win 2 more against A&M and Auburn, the committee would basically have to say "Look, this whole Quadrant thing was just a joke LOL". We'd be that far out in front of everyone else from the #10 seed line down basically.


2 Wins and you should be in


If Bama goes 1-1 though, I'm not sold that is going to be enough unless there is a bigger pool of at large bids than normal
This post was edited on 3/5/18 at 5:20 pm
Posted by Cobrasize
Birmingham
Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 3/5/18 at 5:55 pm to
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"I don't even have Alabama on my bubble at the moment...they're not on my board. They don't have a good enough record to make the NCAA tournament right now. There is no point in considering them" - @jppalmCBS


This is a Jerry Palm quote from Finebaum's twitter

It's correct and it pisses me off There is no excuse for being in this position. frick Avery for this
Posted by phil4bama
Emerald Coast of PCB
Member since Jul 2011
11868 posts
Posted on 3/5/18 at 5:59 pm to
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I have read on another Bama site that Coach Johnson's buyout is 9 million. If that is correct then he will be back. How in the hell can the AD offer a BB contract with a buyout of 9 million to a F BB coach?



I looked up his original contract and his buyout schedule was as follows: $6 million last year, $5 Million this year, $4 million next year, $3 million in 2020. Now that in itself is criminal enough since this man had no job offers and no prospects of one. But last August, we gave him a 2 year extension, I guess for the recruiting and for getting close 2 years in a row, ahead of schedule. That is also criminal and it bothers me simply because Byrne had to sign off on the extension. So now we sit here in year 3, still just close, with this man robbing us blind whether we keep him and his $3 million+ salary a year or buy him out. If we bumped his buyout to $9 million, he's blackmailing someone. Even so, my tactic would be to fire him "with cause" for the Sexton incident just to bring him to the negotiating table because either stance (with cause, or $9 mil) is completely ridiculous.

ETA: I don't believe the $9 million number for 1 minute unless I see it from a credible source like Finebaum or Cecil or someone.
This post was edited on 3/5/18 at 6:10 pm
Posted by Cobrasize
Birmingham
Member since Jun 2013
49884 posts
Posted on 3/5/18 at 6:03 pm to
I feel like we are helpless and that we're being held hostage by an inadequate coach. This sucks and I can't get over it. I need spring practice to start soon.
Posted by GenesChin
The Promise Land
Member since Feb 2012
37838 posts
Posted on 3/5/18 at 6:05 pm to
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I feel like we are helpless and that we're being held hostage by an inadequate coach.




Posted by Cobrasize
Birmingham
Member since Jun 2013
49884 posts
Posted on 3/5/18 at 6:08 pm to
That actually makes me feel better.
Posted by phil4bama
Emerald Coast of PCB
Member since Jul 2011
11868 posts
Posted on 3/5/18 at 7:13 pm to
shite! Shoulda known it was coming but UGA is about to cut Mark Fox loose unless he wins the SEC tourney. They will be in the market for an upgrade. I have no idea who is on their short list but we don't need another SEC team in the market if we decide to rip off the bandaid AND we don't need another SEC school making an upgrade. Frick!!
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