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re: 2017-18 Alabama Basketball Season Thread: 20-16 (10-11)
Posted on 3/4/18 at 8:30 am to SummerOfGeorge
Posted on 3/4/18 at 8:30 am to SummerOfGeorge
Drew D is being a little bitch today. Got on Twitter and he’s there busy defending Avery. Got into a debate with him. He’s using same old excuses: we’re young, look at Pearl last year vs this year, every coach since Wimp has been given 5 years (which is a mistake in today’s world with transfers and 1 and dones IMHO). Why defend this guy when he doesn’t pass the eyeball test?
Pearl has won everywhere he’s been. No, I don’t want him as our coach because he’s an NCAA infractions magnet but you know what you’re getting. Avery has had late season collapses everywhere he’s been. So how is it all going to magically change next season? And Pearl managed to have this season despite losing 2 of his star players before the year even started and a 3rd key player just a few days ago.
So tell me this: remove 2 starters from Bama’s lineup, any two you want and do you think we finish anywhere near our current record? I don’t.
I’d also like to point out that several of those quadrant 1 wins the Avery supporters like to point to have slid to quadrant 2 and aren’t nearly as impressive as they were. Anybody think beating OU at home was such a fantastic win anymore? They were 3-7 after that loss.
It boggles my mind that anyone can watch an Avery Johnson coached team and say he deserves another year.
Pearl has won everywhere he’s been. No, I don’t want him as our coach because he’s an NCAA infractions magnet but you know what you’re getting. Avery has had late season collapses everywhere he’s been. So how is it all going to magically change next season? And Pearl managed to have this season despite losing 2 of his star players before the year even started and a 3rd key player just a few days ago.
So tell me this: remove 2 starters from Bama’s lineup, any two you want and do you think we finish anywhere near our current record? I don’t.
I’d also like to point out that several of those quadrant 1 wins the Avery supporters like to point to have slid to quadrant 2 and aren’t nearly as impressive as they were. Anybody think beating OU at home was such a fantastic win anymore? They were 3-7 after that loss.
It boggles my mind that anyone can watch an Avery Johnson coached team and say he deserves another year.
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Posted on 3/4/18 at 8:32 am to phil4bama
he appears to be horrible at making in game adjustments.
Posted on 3/4/18 at 8:43 am to mrbroker
I love how we ran our big man up top to set the initial screen to start a play and the defense never went with the pick man (usually hall/giddens) which then puts 2 guys on the guy we want with the ball and our big man who can't dribble 20 feet from the hole.
ALL YEAR
ALL YEAR
This post was edited on 3/4/18 at 8:44 am
Posted on 3/4/18 at 8:55 am to McGregor
What does the two assistant coaches add positive to the program? I assume Pettway has his job due to his recruiting? What about Pelphrey?
Posted on 3/4/18 at 9:01 am to JoseyWalesTheOutlaw
Pelphrey was supposed to coach the big men and help Johnson with X’s and O’s since Johnson’s background is NBA and Pelphrey’s is college. You would think a former head coach at USA and Arkansas would bring more to the table but he hasn’t shown it. Pettway needs a change in scenery. He’s been a good recruiter for the program but he needs change to grow. He needs to be pushed out of the nest too.
Posted on 3/4/18 at 9:15 am to phil4bama
I trust Greg Byrne to fire Avery and Get his Guy. Battle is a frickhead for hiring someone just because he was on tv and benefitted from having Dirk in his prime and still lost to an 8 seed after winning 67games.
This post was edited on 3/4/18 at 9:16 am
Posted on 3/4/18 at 9:18 am to Cobrasize
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Cobrasize
You got an xbox one right? Once you get fortnite, I'll tell you my GT and we can rage online.
Posted on 3/4/18 at 9:21 am to JoseyWalesTheOutlaw
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The Anthony Grant era broke me on Bama BB. Avery ain't it for sure but he is better than Grant.
I don't think statistics would support my outlook, but I feel like our offense is just a tad but better than Grant's, but our defense is just a little bit worse. Someone said this weeks ago also, but I agree. There's almost no motion in our offense, outside of brining Hall or Giddens up to the top of the arc to set a screen.
This post was edited on 3/4/18 at 9:23 am
Posted on 3/4/18 at 9:31 am to Gary Busey
Sean Miller to Alabama. You herd it hear first!
Posted on 3/4/18 at 9:33 am to AHM21
this is bad, but not grant bad. 
Posted on 3/4/18 at 9:36 am to McGregor
bullshite. We were never as secure and “in” under Grant like we were a few weeks back. We had the wins, just needed to not completely implode. I don’t remember any collapse like this one, especially with two of the losses occurring at home and one being a complete arse kicking.
Posted on 3/4/18 at 9:47 am to AHM21
We’ve lost important games down the stretch we should have won every year Avery has been here. The difference this year is we have more talent and getting the same result.
Posted on 3/4/18 at 10:00 am to Brodeur
Miller won't come here, why would he leave Arizona other than for Byrne?
Posted on 3/4/18 at 10:11 am to JoseyWalesTheOutlaw
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I assume Pettway has his job due to his recruiting?
Yes and he's a solid coach. Pettway has called out other team's offensive sets in multiple games this year. He's the best coach on staff imo. If I was a low level program, I'd absolutely hire him to be a head coach.
John Brannen who was on Grant's staff seems like a very good coach at NKU.
Posted on 3/4/18 at 10:51 am to mistaken4193
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I trust Greg Byrne to fire Avery and Get his Guy. Battle is a frickhead for hiring someone just because he was on tv and benefitted from having Dirk in his prime and still lost to an 8 seed after winning 67games
Every team to win more than 65 games has had a better player than Dirk. Every team that's had more than 60 wins has had a better supporting cast than Dirk had. The fact that he won 67 regular season games with that team is nothing short of spectacular. It's fair to criticize his ability to close out seasons (especially at Alabama), but just so you know, in that 67-win regular season that Golden State team (the 8-seed) won all 3 matchups against them and were the only team not to lose to them in the regular season. They were a huge matchup problem for the Mavs as they were an athletic team designed to run where the Mavs were not.
Accepting that what he did with that team (at least in the regular season) was pretty amazing does not mean you have to support his ability to coach at the collegiate level. The criticism of his coaching at Alabama is definitely fair and more than enough for fans to want to move on. No need to try to discredit his past success.
Avery was a swing for the fences after Marshall led us on. At that point, Avery was plenty worthy of giving a shot.
This post was edited on 3/4/18 at 10:54 am
Posted on 3/4/18 at 11:04 am to BigBird09
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Every team to win more than 65 games has had a better player than Dirk. Every team that's had more than 60 wins has had a better supporting cast than Dirk had.
Winning 67 games is incredible and there is not valid "but" arguments that can discredit any year that you can win 67
I'd just disagree w your comments on supporting cast. The Mavs supporting cast was incredible that year in terms of fitting their individual roles + staying healthy
If you are trying to suggest Jason Terry isn't great supporting cast I'll fight you at a Sonic convienent to me
This post was edited on 3/4/18 at 11:06 am
Posted on 3/4/18 at 11:07 am to BigBird09
Serious question, but who all would've y'all hired over Avery? Looking at all the big names hired that year, I'm not sure who I would've taken over him. Only one I can think of that deserves an argument is Mike White, and he was gifted a job where the pieces to compete immediately were all there. Shaka Smart? He's underachieved at Texas. Steve Prohm? Similar to White he was gifted a roster ready to compete and they're awful in his 3rd year. Ben Howland? He has yet to do anything of note at Mississippi State.
I'm honestly curious, of the names hired that year, who do y'all think we should have hired?
I'm honestly curious, of the names hired that year, who do y'all think we should have hired?
Posted on 3/4/18 at 11:17 am to GenesChin
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If you are trying to suggest Jason Terry isn't great supporting cast I'll fight you at a Sonic convienent to me
I never said their supporting cast wasn't great (you have to have it to win 67 games), I just mean that in terms of individual talent that teams with those kind of win totals have more star power.
This post was edited on 3/4/18 at 11:35 am
Posted on 3/4/18 at 11:50 am to BigBird09
They just showed Lunardis Last 4 in First 4 out on ESPN and we werent on the screen so I assume that means we are still in the Last 4 Byes.... Win Thursday and I think we are good.
Posted on 3/4/18 at 12:04 pm to mistaken4193
There was a faction that wanted Howland, one that wanted Smart, one that wanted Barnes, one that wanted Pearl, one that wanted White. I was among the latter. It’s probably fair to say none of them have proven to be a great hire yet. But all of them have one thing in common: they are all successful college coaches. All of them appear to be on an upward trajectory at their schools. I guess you could argue about Smart but they haven’t had the best of luck either. Smart could still turn it around.
With Avery we totally rolled the dice with a semi-successful NBA coach who was out of work with no other offers. We then proceeded to pay him top 20 money, gave him an exorbitant buyout, and then curiously, extended him this past August. Anybody will tell you the NBA is incredibly different from NCAA basketball so success at one does not translate to the other in either direction. But we all got behind the hire. He brought in an impressive class this year. But they are freshmen. They need to be coached and taught to up their game. Avery apparently doesn’t know how to do that. He’s used to coaching the finished product. It shows. The experiment is a failure. Time to go get an experienced college coach.
With Avery we totally rolled the dice with a semi-successful NBA coach who was out of work with no other offers. We then proceeded to pay him top 20 money, gave him an exorbitant buyout, and then curiously, extended him this past August. Anybody will tell you the NBA is incredibly different from NCAA basketball so success at one does not translate to the other in either direction. But we all got behind the hire. He brought in an impressive class this year. But they are freshmen. They need to be coached and taught to up their game. Avery apparently doesn’t know how to do that. He’s used to coaching the finished product. It shows. The experiment is a failure. Time to go get an experienced college coach.
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