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re: 2017-18 Alabama Basketball Season Thread: 20-16 (10-11)

Posted on 2/18/18 at 8:45 pm to
Posted by SECSolomonGrundy
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Posted on 2/18/18 at 8:45 pm to
Well if the caveat is a college comparison than a comparison suggests he should have some of the same accolades on the college level, right?

He wasn't that good in college but you compare him to pro greats, and that is fricking ridiculous.
Posted by Bamafan15
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Posted on 2/18/18 at 9:34 pm to
We’re 3 weeks away from our first NCAA tourney in years and y’all are arguing about whether Bola was good or not
Posted by BigBird09
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Posted on 2/18/18 at 9:36 pm to
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He wasn't that good in college but you compare him to pro greats, and that is fricking ridiculous.



I wasn't the one to bring it up. You did. But a statistical comparison shows it to be a fairly accurate NBA to college comparison.

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Well if the caveat is a college comparison than a comparison suggests he should have some of the same accolades on the college level, right?


Of the 10 years Rodman averaged double digits in rebounding, he made the All-Star team once. Bola didn't average enough minutes to qualify for any accolades in his one season at Alabama. I've already laid out the statistical comparison for you. Everybody understands Bola isn't just as good as Rodman. It was a comparison to show you that someone can be considered a terrible offensive player (at the collegiate or NBA level) and still be considered a good asset. You're the only one that doesn't understand this.
This post was edited on 2/18/18 at 9:38 pm
Posted by Cobrasize
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Posted on 2/18/18 at 9:38 pm to
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We’re 3 weeks away from our first NCAA tourney in years and y’all are arguing about whether Bola was good or not

It's always a good time for a Bola debate.

And if we are voting, give me Bola!!!
Posted by BigBird09
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Posted on 2/18/18 at 9:44 pm to
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We’re 3 weeks away from our first NCAA tourney in years and y’all are arguing about whether Bola was good or not


Keeping this shite going is tiresome, but what the Hell, it's a Sunday night. I got some time on my hands.

Posted by Bamafan15
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Posted on 2/18/18 at 10:09 pm to
He’s one of the best rebounders we’ve ever had, so I’m a fan
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
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Posted on 2/19/18 at 6:51 am to
Bola was the best individual rebounder, both offensive and defensive, in the conference last season per KenPom.

His OR% would have ranked #1 in the country if he had played 40% of minutes. His DR% would have ranked 36th in the country.

He was an insanely elite rebounder.

Posted by Bamafan15
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Posted on 2/19/18 at 8:25 am to
Lunardi has us as a 7 seed
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
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Posted on 2/19/18 at 8:46 am to
Bracket Matrix average : 7 seed
Lunardi : 7 seed
Yahoo : 7 seed
Team Rankings : 7 seed
Palm : 8 seed
Posted by BigBird09
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Posted on 2/19/18 at 8:56 am to
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Bola was the best individual rebounder, both offensive and defensive, in the conference last season per KenPom.

His OR% would have ranked #1 in the country if he had played 40% of minutes. His DR% would have ranked 36th in the country.

He was an insanely elite rebounder.


And you get a down vote. As if anything you just stated was nonfactual.
This post was edited on 2/19/18 at 8:59 am
Posted by BigBird09
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Posted on 2/19/18 at 9:11 am to
quote:

Bracket Matrix average : 7 seed
Lunardi : 7 seed
Yahoo : 7 seed
Team Rankings : 7 seed
Palm : 8 seed


Bracket projections are based on where they think teams end up based on their remaining schedules, right? Or is it based on their current resume? If it is based on the remaining schedule, that has to be encouraging considering most people will have us going 2-2 at best down this final 4-game stretch. I'll most definitely take a 7-seed with 19 regular season wins.

You know you're an Alabama fan when there's a shade of doubt of whether you'll make the tournament or not with all these encouraging signs. The funny thing is we actually have a legitimate chance to win the SECT (for the first time in years), but I'm secretly hoping we can get the 5-seed so we can make it easier for us to hopefully tack on another W to the resume
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
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Posted on 2/19/18 at 9:15 am to
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Bracket projections are based on where they think teams end up based on their remaining schedules, right? Or is it based on their current resume?


Current resume mostly, though I guess it could vary.

I think the good news is we still have a decent cushion before things get scary, and we don't have any "disaster" if we lose games left. On the flip side, we don't have any gimmee wins left either.

It makes me sad to say this but this definitely a part of me fully expecting to lose 4 of 5 to close the regular season (split UF/Ark) and go to St Louis 100% firmly on the bubble. To be honest, that is my expectation.
Posted by TomRollTideRitter
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Posted on 2/19/18 at 9:30 am to
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but I'm secretly hoping we can get the 5-seed so we can make it easier for us to hopefully tack on another W to the resume


I've had this thought too, but I think if we only win 1 of the last 4, we'll probably be a 7 seed or lower in St. Louis. If we win 2 of the last 4, we should be in regardless of the SEC tournament.
Posted by TomRollTideRitter
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Posted on 2/19/18 at 9:34 am to
What starting 5 would y'all like to see next year assuming Sexton is our only early departure? I'm thinking this lineup would be incredible in pick and roll.

PG- Herbert
SG- JP
SF- Mack
PF- Reese
C- Hall

There's no helping off of any of those shooters at the 2-4 positions. Hall is very good at rolling to the basket. Herbert will be able to see over whoever is guarding him easily.
Posted by BigBird09
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Posted on 2/19/18 at 9:42 am to
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I've had this thought too, but I think if we only win 1 of the last 4, we'll probably be a 7 seed or lower in St. Louis. If we win 2 of the last 4, we should be in regardless of the SEC tournament.


Very true. The logical part of me knows we'll be solidly in with 19 wins regardless, but the Bama fan in me keeps whispering "they're going to screw you" in my ear.

Anyone else hoping Texas doesn't make the tournament? They are literally the only team I'm absolutely terrified of us playing against (which probably means we'll matchup with them in the first round). It's not really the team, as much as it is Mo Bamba completely destroying our offense. He makes them a nightmare matchup for us, which is a hard thing for this team to have with our versatility.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
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Posted on 2/19/18 at 9:42 am to
I'm not sure I want Herb running the point full time. However, if he keeps improving and continues to show a knack for it, I wouldn't be opposed if he is the best option. It certainly opens up spots at the other positions. Rolling with the Herb at PG idea.......and the idea that I think we're better off playing smaller and faster....

G - Herb Jones
G - Dazon Ingram
F - John Petty
F - Tevin Mack
C - Donta Hall

1st unit off the bench (12-16 minutes)
G - AJ Jr
G/F - Braxton Key
F - Alex Reese
F/C - Daniel Giddens

2nd unit off the bench (8-12 minutes)
G - Jared Butler
F - Galin Smith

Obviously we would need to tinker based on opponent, but we'd have that option with Giddens/Smith/Fleming/Reese.

I think the idea of spreading with a tall, good instinct PG like Herb and running high pick and rolls and movement. It could also really help Donta spend this offseason developing a mid-range jumper (much like Jamychal did later in his career). Would make our offense really scary AND do wonders for Donta's NBA resume. If Donta can develop a semi-consistent 10-12 foot pick and pop jumper, he will 100% have a job in the NBA for 10 years. I don't know if it's possible, but it's certainly a selling point for returning next year (and the pieces are there to really make it a big piece of the offense).

A lineup with Reese and a mid-range able Hall running PnR would be pretty damn scary.
This post was edited on 2/19/18 at 9:47 am
Posted by BigBird09
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Posted on 2/19/18 at 10:08 am to
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What starting 5 would y'all like to see next year assuming Sexton is our only early departure?


Really think Hall will declare without an agent and then blow people away at the combine and leave, but assuming he stays (I'm praying it happens) we should be an even better team if our freshman progress and Petty can get going on the road with some consistency (Saturday was encouraging).

As of now, I'd hope for:

PG - Butler (this will be where things get interesting)
SG - John Petty
SF - Herb Jones
PF - Key (Reese or Giddens if a bigger matchup dictates it)
C - Hall

6-7 - Ingram and Mack
8-9 - Giddens and Reese

Ingram/Herb take on the backup PG role assuming Butler is ready (our staff does).

What I think happens in that scenario:

PG - Butler
SG - Ingram
SF - Petty
PF - Key or Giddens (depending on matchup)
C - Hall

6-9 - Herb Jones, Tevin Mack and Key/Giddens, and AJjr
10 - Reese
11 - Smith/Fleming

Regardless, it's a good team, but Avery seems dead set on putting all of our best offensive talent out there and giving them breaks at the same time (my biggest criticism I've had with Avery). I think Ingram starts based off of his comments earlier this season when asked if he could see himself being the spark off the bench. Personally, I'd bench him anyways (in this scenario), but I'm sure Avery doesn't want another Shannon Hale locker room debacle, so he may just cave to him starting since he is most certainly a starting quality player (couldn't blame him).






Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 2/19/18 at 10:12 am to
It's going to be a very experienced, deep and flexible roster.

If Mack can add a shooting threat to go along with Petty and hopefully improvement for Herb and higher usage for Reese, pretty good. The situation with Ingram and Key will be interesting. You have to think both will either fight like hell to get better and keep pace or get frustrated and possibly leave. They were both clear starters for their 1st years and will literally see their PT/role diminish each year (assuming they don't massively improve this offseason) from 1st to 3rd. I just can't comment on how either of them mentally operate.

Our team defense should be extraordinary. As with this year, rebounding against certain rosters could be a challenge. However, if everyone but Sexton returns & freshman take a step forward, this should be a team that challenges in the SEC and is a sure fire NCAAT team.
This post was edited on 2/19/18 at 10:13 am
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
105802 posts
Posted on 2/19/18 at 10:22 am to
Would have been really cool if Sexton was a 2018 recruit and could step into this situation with the current team being a year older. Yea, I know, that's a silly thing to ask for, but still.

However.......can we travel to fantasy world real quick? Let's imagine Petty leaves after his Sophomore year, to keep it semi realistic (or something). Have to imagine at least 1 of Key/Ingram/Reese leaves early to play in Europe or transfers, but since we don't know who we'll roll with all 3 still being here.

2019-2020 Alabama Basketball

Starters
PG - Herb Jones (JR)
SG - Tevin Mack (SR)
SF - Trendon Watford (FR)
PF - Alex Reese (JR)
C - Daniel Giddens (SR)

1st Bench
G - Jared Butler (SO)
G/F - Dazon Ingram (SR)
G/F - Braxton Key (SR)
F/C - Galin Smith (JR)

2nd bench
C - Javian Fleming (SO)
G - Kira Lewis (FR)
G - Diante Wood (SO)
F - Kobe Brown (FR)



Holy moly
This post was edited on 2/19/18 at 10:32 am
Posted by BigBird09
Member since May 2012
6044 posts
Posted on 2/19/18 at 10:59 am to
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2020 Alabama Basketball 

Starters 
PG - Herb Jones (JR) 
SG - Tevin Mack (SR) 
SF - Trendon Watford (FR) 
PF - Alex Reese (JR) 
C - Daniel Giddens (SR) 

1st Bench 
G - Jared Butler (SO) 
G/F - Dazon Ingram (SR) 
G/F - Braxton Key (SR) 
F/C - Galin Smith (JR) 

2nd bench 
C - Javian Fleming (SO) 
G - Kira Lewis (FR) 
G - Diante Wood (SO) 
F - Kobe Brown (FR) 


Losing Hall will hurt (if he doesn't declare this year), but if Jones isn't swooped up by then (personally I think he's at greater risk of declaring than Petty next year) this is definitely the year I'm most excited about. So much depth 1-4. Literally the only small concern would be at the 5 and I truly think Giddens can end up as an All-SEC big before he graduates. We would have to hope Smith and/or Fleming progress, because I don't see Giddens ever being able to average more then 20-25 minutes, but I already see Smith as being serviceable now (something I would have never guessed pre-season).

He doesn't get talked about as much as Watford and Lewis (probably because he hasn't received a scholarship offer to my knowledge), but Brown is a very interesting prospect. He could end up playing 1-4.
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