Star Wars VII Reviews (SPOILERS!! Don't click if you haven't seen it).....

Yep. He was pretty unintimidating. But, I think that was on purpose.

He's the aspiring evil and ruthless Darth Vader wannabe. But they also had to make you believe that he is the wayward son of Han Solo and Princess Leia.

Killing his dad....one of my all time heroes makes him ruthless fricking scum though. And I look forward to Chewbacca ripping his nuts off and watching him bleed out in the next episode.

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Yep. He was pretty unintimidating. But, I think that was on purpose.

He's the aspiring evil and ruthless Darth Vader wannabe. But they also had to make you believe that he is the wayward son of Han Solo and Princess Leia.

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I think we're meant to empathize with him more. He even takes his mask off and shows that he's human.

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But, I think that was on purpose.

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I agree but that makes it worse to me. I want Darth Maul apprentices, not some dude that treats being a bad guy like a drunk sorority girl trying to make the decision to go all the way with one of her sisters or just catch a finger.

I'm admittedly not a huge Star Wars fan so maybe it's above me but don't understand the 2 minute staring contest between Luke and Rey or why everyone thinks Rey is his daughter. Aren't Jedi supposed to have no attachments? Isn't getting his dick wet what turned Anakin to the Darkside? Why would Luke go the same route then drop his daughter off on a piece of shite planet? Wouldn't that make him a shitty Jedi AND a shitty father? Maybe I'm reading too far into it.

Agreed, Kylo being immature is part of watching his growth toward becoming the next "Vader". Anakin went through the same type of rage-fueled tantrums before eventually becoming the Vader we all knew (and feared as a bad guy). It's clear that Supreme Leader Snoke has plans to mold him into a more powerful enforcer and that is where the balance and discipline will come into play. I think even Kylo knows he must work harder because he suddenly encountered another force-sensitive person (Rey) who seems to have a great deal of potential.

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Why would Luke go the same route then drop his daughter off on a piece of shite planet?

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It was made clear in the movie that in the previous 30 years, after the fall of the Empire, that the Jedi had been hunted down and exterminated. Had Luke stayed with Rey, she would have been inevitably hunted down in the same way for fear of what she could become. I would reason that he left her with someone he trusted to keep her safely away from him and those who would eventually come for him.

And I can only guess at this point that she is his daughter, but it makes sense. His speech about the force that was reprised for the trailers is likely the conversation that he and Rey will have early on in the next movie. May not be the daughter, but there has to be some familial connection in there somewhere.

Something crucial to remember is that when Rey called Luke's Saber to her, overpowering Kylo during the duel on Starkiller Base, the music swelled to Luke's theme. Most folks assume that this is just a generic SW anthem, but it's been established as a Skywalker family theme. (Look to the end of RotS and all throughout the OT).

It's possible that Rey isn't a Skywalker, (most easily explainable as Luke's daughter), but Luke's VO in the initial trailer is a re-record from RotJ where he's telling Leia about the Force being strong in his family.

Another prevalent theory (that some have touched on in the SECR Movie board) is that Snoke is Darth Plagueis. He might not have defeated death, but he could be hanging out in the galaxy as a Sith ghost, a la Obi-Wan and Yoda.

Entertainment Weekly reports that Ewan MacGregor and Frank Oz reported to Bad Robot for original VO work for Rey's vision. Apparently they had MacGregor's audio sync up with Alec Guinness' archival voice track so it's both Obi-Wans voice she hears. Very cool.

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Sith ghost, a la Obi-Wan and Yoda.

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I though the ghost thing was something Liam Neeson figured out and was a Jedi only thing?

EP. III at the Opera, Palpatine tells Anakin that Darth Plagueis spent his life's work trying to find a way to achieve immortality. (Before Apprentice Sheev filled his ear with poison, Hamlet-style). Based on that foundation, I'd say it was a bit of a Jedi-Sith arms race.

Also, maybe grasping at straws, since most EU stuff was tossed out but other tenets seem to be relabeled as canon since JJ Abrams and the writers clearly took inspiration from certain plot lines- there's a pretty well-established history of Sith ghosts being able to corrupt Jedi Apprentices centuries after their deaths. Exar Kun in the Yavin IV temple being the most famous.

What if our admins haven't seen the movie, and so they're scared to click on this thread?

Maybe we have a temporary freedom zone.

Hey, which admin do you think is a bigger busybody power-drunk dipshit, DGD or Lew?

I say it's a tie.

Without even getting bogged down by the disaster that are midichlorians, I imagine hat there could be a Sith holocron or some such device that Snoke's spirit is bound to, if indeed he were Plagueis. Maybe that's a reach. For Snoke to order Ren to come to him, though implies that he's in hiding of sorts, or sequestered away some place safe.