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Posted on 12/20/15 at 11:05 pm to
Posted by Jefferson Dawg
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 12/20/15 at 11:05 pm to
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Solo was getting old as dirt.. . . . He had to go out at some point to make way for the new generation.



The New Generation: An english female jedi. Her black ex-stormtrooper love interest. A 7-foot tall female silver storm trooper leader. Etc...............

And: Pasty pale white men as Villains in every other role.



frick this time portal.












Onward
Posted by VoxDawg
Glory, Glory
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 12/21/15 at 7:59 am to
I honestly don't get the static folks are putting out about a female lead and a Stormtrooper who just happens to be black. On of my friends on FB was railing against the movie because Daisy Ridley and John Boyega are English actors. "Star Wars is American motherfrickers!" It's easily the most retarded argument against TFA I've heard across the entire Internet, and I know this dude personally.

Don't get me wrong - I think political correctness is second only to radical Islam when it comes to endangering the American people on a day-to-day basis, and there's a strong chance that they go hand-in-hand sometimes, but to project that shite onto Star Wars? Gimme a fricking break.

Cinematically, it's always going to be okay to hate on a white dude with an English accent. That's the shortest route to establishing that any given bloke from London is the villain - especially when you dress him in a uniform that's even vaguely reminiscent of Third Reich garb. It'll always be okay to kill Nazis in video games, too. I don't know why, but it simply is. Maybe it's an unspoken apology by Western culture for the Holocaust.

My point is that no matter how fricked up our culture truly is, none of it should be shoehorn ed into Star Wars. And while I'm at it, that hyphenated bitch on MSNBC can go frick herself for saying that the OT was racist:
quote:

I spent the whole day talking about the Darth Vader situation.”

“The part where he was totally a black guy, whose name was basically James Earl Jones,” she said. “While he was black he was terrible and bad, awful and used to cut off white men’s hand, and didn’t actually claim his son. But as soon as he claims his son, goes over to the good, takes off his mask and he is white — yes, I have many feelings about that.


frick her.
Posted by AmsterdamNYCDawg
NYC
Member since Nov 2015
132 posts
Posted on 12/21/15 at 7:59 am to
So Rey (Ray) is the daughter of Luke and MARA. Fine, that makes sense and I get it. But if it's cannon then wouldn't THISin fact be Han and Leia's son?
Posted by VoxDawg
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Posted on 12/21/15 at 8:14 am to
The thing that gets murky is that when Disney bought LFL, they said that anything that wasn't a proper SW film, and/or the Clone Wars & Rebels TV series can all be disregarded. As a whole, the Expanded Universe is gone like Alderaan.

That said, Kathleen Kennedy has specifically said that they'll be open to using certain elements of the EU and incorporating those into proper SW canon. It appears that Ben Solo/Kylo Ren was loosely inspired by Jacen Solo.

I don't know what that means for Rey's relationship to Luke, but I would be thrilled if they made Mara Jade legit in the films. At that point all I'd want to see is Grand Admiral Thrawn and Exar Kun canonized, and literally everything else in the EU could frick off and I wouldn't miss a bit of it. (And I read EVERYTHING up to New Jedi Order).
Posted by SneakyWaff1es
Member since Nov 2012
3941 posts
Posted on 12/21/15 at 8:29 am to
I still fail to understand how Luke could have a daughter and a wife if Jedi aren't supposed to have attachments.
Posted by tylerdurden24
Member since Sep 2009
46488 posts
Posted on 12/21/15 at 8:34 am to
Well, he has kind of gone into Yoda mode (last of the Jedi but not really a Jedi anymore). And before all that he had just inadvertently killed his dad, found out he had a long lost sister that he wanted to pork, and took down a galactic empire. I think he has earned the right to bend the rules a little and do some baby making.

Posted by tylerdurden24
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Posted on 12/21/15 at 8:36 am to
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This post was edited on 12/21/15 at 8:43 am
Posted by tylerdurden24
Member since Sep 2009
46488 posts
Posted on 12/21/15 at 8:43 am to
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Just to touch on Snoke being darth plagieus, one theory I read was that he was able to manipulate sidius into believing that he had killed him, when in reality he was not dead. I tend to go towards this theory. It also helps explain why he is depicted as being so large, as in the EU plaguies is depicted as a race who is 12 feet tall and has the ability to project image extremely well.


I'm really curious to see how they address Lucas' bumblefricking of the SW universe by introducing the midichlorians BS. If Snoke is Plagueis, are they going to run with the theory you posited or are they going to b all "uh, yeah, he can manipulate midichlorians and that's how he impregnated Shmi Skywalker and that's how Snoke brought himself back to life"

I'd love to see what Abrams could do with remakes of Episodes I-III
Posted by VoxDawg
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Posted on 12/21/15 at 8:50 am to
I'm okay with Snoke being Plagueis. The odds of him being his own entity are much greater, but it would be a cool twist. I need to read the Plagueis book, even if it doesn't count for shite these days, but I haven't heard the theory that Plagueis is Anakin's father. I know it's a space opera, but that's a little ridiculous to me.
Posted by lewis and herschel
Member since Nov 2009
11363 posts
Posted on 12/21/15 at 8:53 am to
Rey= Luke Skywalkers daughter who he tried to hide when the training of kylo fell apart, you can here Kylo telling her to stay little girl as he departs.

Force was always stronger in Luke than Leia, that is why she could defeat kyle with no training.

Just my guess.
Posted by tylerdurden24
Member since Sep 2009
46488 posts
Posted on 12/21/15 at 8:58 am to
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I haven't heard the theory that Plagueis is Anakin's father.


The idea would be that, through some confluence of events, Shmi Skywalker came into contact with Plagueis who - being this master of midichlorian manipulation - was able to create life inside of her without sexual intercourse. Hence she claims that Anakin was born through immaculate conception in Episode I.
Posted by SneakyWaff1es
Member since Nov 2012
3941 posts
Posted on 12/21/15 at 9:30 am to
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I think he has earned the right to bend the rules a little


That's how we ended up with Vader.
Posted by tylerdurden24
Member since Sep 2009
46488 posts
Posted on 12/21/15 at 9:37 am to
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That's how we ended up with Vader.


Apples to Oranges.

Did Anakin ever do a single decent thing? Killed children, hacked off Mace Windu's arm, killed Christopher Lee, delivered terrible mopey dialogue, constantly complained, flaunted his piloting skills at every chance, didn't kill Jar Jar while on his murder spree, was played by Jake Lloyd, authorized the destruction of an entire planet.

Looking back, I'm actually not sure which side I was supposed to be cheering for during the prequels.

At least Luke actually saved his friends, killed Jabba, brought down an oppressive empire, and didn't frick his own sister (that we know of; Rey could totally be he and Leia's bastard incest baby left for dead on a desert planet)
Posted by SneakyWaff1es
Member since Nov 2012
3941 posts
Posted on 12/21/15 at 9:52 am to
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Anakin ever do a single decent thing?


Won a pod race? He did good things in the Clone Wars series. Still...it's part of the little Jedi rules so apples and oranges are still held to the same standard. Otherwise you lose the locker room when one Jedi finds out the other Jedi got to smoke weed then play in the bowl game while he got a four game suspension for smoking the same shite.
Posted by tylerdurden24
Member since Sep 2009
46488 posts
Posted on 12/21/15 at 10:04 am to
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Won a pod race? He did good things in the Clone Wars series. Still...it's part of the little Jedi rules so apples and oranges are still held to the same standard. Otherwise you lose the locker room when one Jedi finds out the other Jedi got to smoke weed then play in the bowl game while he got a four game suspension for smoking the same shite.


I've always seen the Jedi as being more of a "Do as I say, not as I do" type of thing. Or at least that's how they came off in the prequels (which may be unfair because they were terrible and riddled with plot holes and unanswered questions bu, hey, it's canon so gotta live with it; please JJ Abrams, remake the prequels into something watchable)
Posted by S1C EM
Athens, GA
Member since Nov 2007
11585 posts
Posted on 12/21/15 at 10:10 am to
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didn't kill Jar Jar while on his murder spree


Most heinous thing he did('t do).
Posted by athenslife101
Member since Feb 2013
18564 posts
Posted on 12/21/15 at 4:12 pm to
Most of the original Star Wars was made in England.

Also, a lot of the people hating on this movie I've seen have refused to accept that Rey and Fin might be into each other. I'll call it jealousy.
Posted by S1C EM
Athens, GA
Member since Nov 2007
11585 posts
Posted on 12/21/15 at 4:38 pm to
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Also, a lot of the people hating on this movie I've seen have refused to accept that Rey and Fin might be into each other. I'll call it jealousy.


At least we can be relatively certain their interest isn't incestual.
Posted by miledawg
athens ga
Member since Sep 2005
2033 posts
Posted on 12/21/15 at 8:28 pm to
jeez did i wander into a tech board?
Posted by HellRaisingDawg
Lake Park, Georgia
Member since Oct 2013
1585 posts
Posted on 12/21/15 at 9:23 pm to
My only gripe is how they emasculated their "bad guy", the son of Han and Leia who happens to be so proficient in the force that he can read minds and force choke the shite out of people, by having Finn, a storm trooper for St. Richt's sake, hold his own in a saber duel against said bad guy.

Not only does it not make any fricking sense, it weakens the character which had so much promise after the death of Han.

As for Finn...he could get cut in half the first fricking scene in the next movie, and I wouldn't even have a frick to give. His character is uninteresting and weak. Perhaps that will change with some future writing...let's hope so.
This post was edited on 12/21/15 at 9:37 pm
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